akka Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 I just dug this out of my compost bin. It's been in there for almost 2 years, the only part that has degraded is the steel ("brass"). It claims to be a fully compostable case, I guess you need one of those industrial jobbers. . Just posted as a point of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 Don't they have to-be fully submerged in water to degrade?. Plus they are not red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 I have one buried in my lawn, good as new after two years. only the metal work rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 46 minutes ago, DUNKS said: I have one buried in my lawn, good as new after two years. only the metal work rusty. why have you got one buried in your lawn,.....are you trying to grow them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, akka said: I just dug this out of my compost bin. It's been in there for almost 2 years, the only part that has degraded is the steel ("brass"). It claims to be a fully compostable case, I guess you need one of those industrial jobbers. . Just posted as a point of interest. Thanks for posting.. basically lip service then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 1 hour ago, old'un said: why have you got one buried in your lawn,.....are you trying to grow them If only! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akka Posted May 10 Author Report Share Posted May 10 I should have dug out a wad to see how well those compost. At least you take the cases home with you, the wads are out there for as long as they last for, which going by the cases could be a fair while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretlurcher1970 Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 Have you sent the picture to basc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 20 hours ago, Ferretlurcher1970 said: Have you sent the picture to basc. It would be a waste of time. Basic completely out of touch. Oxygen thieves. The lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 49 minutes ago, Minky said: It would be a waste of time. Basic completely out of touch. Oxygen thieves. The lot of them. Not true - some / most of them do some great work in fairness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCB56 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 56 minutes ago, Minky said: It would be a waste of time. Basic completely out of touch. Oxygen thieves. The lot of them. I take it your not a member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretlurcher1970 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 I am only a member because I have no choice as a wildfowler. Think these days basc is killing shooting from the inside. They roll over at the drop of a hat. And when people really need them they are not interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 6 minutes ago, Ferretlurcher1970 said: I am only a member because I have no choice as a wildfowler. Think these days basc is killing shooting from the inside. They roll over at the drop of a hat. And when people really need them they are not interested. This is about right. I only needed a bit of advice once and the advice that I got was not to rock the boat with the police. What a pathetic response. After that a friend who was a full timekeeper had a pathetically usless response to a request for advice and a bit of help. Both of us have never renewed membership. We get our insurance from CCC3. And the mag was just a load of adverts anyway. So no loss there. IF you've had better service then your quite happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 (edited) On 10/05/2024 at 16:47, akka said: just dug this out of my compost bin. It's been in there for almost 2 years, the only part that has degraded is the steel ("brass"). On 10/05/2024 at 17:26, DUNKS said: I have one buried in my lawn, good as new after two years. only the metal work rusty. Am I missing something here? It's the wads we're interested in bio degrading. Not the cartridge itself. What does burying a cartridge prove? Edited May 13 by udderlyoffroad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger687 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 I have been saying this for years now, to @Conor O'Gorman, to other BASC representatives, and even in the BASC magazine that the "Biocompostable" offerings are no different to a plastic wad. Do they listen, or do they imitate the Ostrich and bury their heads in the sand? You be the judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 3 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Am I missing something here? It's the wads we're interested in bio degrading. Not the cartridge itself. What does burying a cartridge prove? I'm sure Bio Ammo advertise as entirely 0% plastic with the case also being made of a biodegrable material hence the OPs test of this claim. I'm sure they are made of PET based plastics which can take 50-80 years to biodegrade normally or are industrially compostable. Better than the many hundreds of years that regular plastic cases and wads take but not ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 5 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Am I missing something here? It's the wads we're interested in bio degrading. Not the cartridge itself. What does burying a cartridge prove? The problem is we tend to believe what’s on the packaging and pay a premium for what we hope to get I’ve done similar experiments with bio ammo and in the real world they don’t degrade burying in the garden is a fairly good test as there must be many discarded cases that end up buried I buried some and put some more into a hanging basket along with the wads 3 + years down the line and they are still there they were advertised as fully degradable not needing a industrial grade waste disposal unit so in my opinion not fit for purpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 The only ones that really broke down were paper cased and felt wadded cartridges of which I have shout hundreds. We pay for convenience really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 2 hours ago, Smudger687 said: I have been saying this for years now, to @Conor O'Gorman, to other BASC representatives, and even in the BASC magazine that the "Biocompostable" offerings are no different to a plastic wad. Do they listen, or do they imitate the Ostrich and bury their heads in the sand? You be the judge To be fair I think you have been listened to - your letter was published in the BASC members magazine and thus no doubt read by many BASC members. For my part I respect and appreciate your efforts to carry out research into non-lead shot and wads and to engage with BASC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 16 minutes ago, wisdom said: The only ones that really broke down were paper cased and felt wadded cartridges Exactly! So why are we making anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger687 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 2 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said: To be fair I think you have been listened to - your letter was published in the BASC members magazine and thus no doubt read by many BASC members. For my part I respect and appreciate your efforts to carry out research into non-lead shot and wads and to engage with BASC. Then why do BASC continue to label these types of wads as biodegradable non-tox offerings when all the evidence suggests otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry2016 Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 46 minutes ago, Smudger687 said: Then why do BASC continue to label these types of wads as biodegradable non-tox offerings when all the evidence suggests otherwise? BASC do not label them the manufacturers do, BASC have called for a move away from plastic wads. there are many types including paper ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Terry2016 said: BASC do not label them the manufacturers do, BASC have called for a move away from plastic wads. there are many types including paper ... there on the list of non lead non plastic wads that Basc published on here and Counting appears there are approximately 46 different bioammo cartridges endorsed 🤔 Edited May 13 by Old farrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 @Smudger687@Old farrier on the BASC downloadable list of shotgun cartridges containing non-lead shot and non-plastic wads, the wad descriptions are various - ie. Pro Eco, Fibre, Bio-Wad, Quad Seal Fibre, Paper Wad, Earth Wad, Green Core, ACP/Anychoke technology and Hydrowad. Happy to pass back suggestions on alternative descriptions for the various products. The full list is here: https://basc.org.uk/download/358749/?tmstv=1685980747 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 14 Report Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said: @Smudger687@Old farrier on the BASC downloadable list of shotgun cartridges containing non-lead shot and non-plastic wads, the wad descriptions are various - ie. Pro Eco, Fibre, Bio-Wad, Quad Seal Fibre, Paper Wad, Earth Wad, Green Core, ACP/Anychoke technology and Hydrowad. Happy to pass back suggestions on alternative descriptions for the various products. The full list is here: https://basc.org.uk/download/358749/?tmstv=1685980747 What would be really helpful would be for the manufacturer to label how long the wad/ case takes to biodegrade in the environment they are used in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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