Penelope Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 All going off in Bushey, Hertfordshire. 3 women murdered with a crossbow; wife and daughters of John Hunt. BBC sports presenter (Racing). Police looking for a Carl Clifford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 Horrible https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c6p284ng14yt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 Bloody horrific, read they were tied up and shot? People like that theres no point trying to arrest, just shoot on sight. Incoming kneejerk reaction and crossbow ban/upgraded to a firearm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 There is anyway currently a "call for evidence" in place regarding possible new legislation on crossbows....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 48 minutes ago, Pushandpull said: There is anyway currently a "call for evidence" in place regarding possible new legislation on crossbows....... well the correct government is now in place to implement ANY NUMBER of legislation changes regarding bows/crossbows and firearms in general. tbh though,i have never understood that in order to own an airgun over 12 FPE you require an FAC coupled with a good reason to possess and somewhere to legally shoot it BUT you can just buy a bow/crossbow with more power than a .22 bullet gun with no checks or licence.🤷♀️🤷♀️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 Horrific incident. I hope the suspect is apprehended swiftly. I’ll hold any further comment until more details are released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 3 hours ago, Rob85 said: Bloody horrific, read they were tied up and shot? People like that theres no point trying to arrest, just shoot on sight. Incoming kneejerk reaction and crossbow ban/upgraded to a firearm? If it is true that they were tied up first, legislation against crossbows wouldn't have protected them - a person who has been tied up could be killed just as easily by stabbing with a nail file, or being hit over the head with a wine bottle or frying pan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 that is truly ..truly awful this is what the death penalty should be for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 Apparently the suspect has been apprehended......................................... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl4y8ljjexro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 2 hours ago, ditchman said: that is truly ..truly awful this is what the death penalty should be for... Should be hung by the testes until all the blood runs to his head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 2 hours ago, ditchman said: that is truly ..truly awful this is what the death penalty should be for... This. For those that say the death penalty is no deterrent, who cares? In situations like this the murderer will never be "reformed", this wasn't a crime committed on impulse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 Goodbye crossbows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 55 minutes ago, Houseplant said: Goodbye crossbows. and long bows..............and just to remind you that last year an MP' tabled and idea to reduce the number of fatalities as a result of knife crime......" only knives with a rounded end should be legal for purchase"...ie without a point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted July 10 Report Share Posted July 10 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ditchman said: and long bows..............and just to remind you that last year an MP' tabled and idea to reduce the number of fatalities as a result of knife crime......" only knives with a rounded end should be legal for purchase"...ie without a point... How are you supposed to cut the anus out of a deer without a pointed knife? It would take a couple of minutes to put a point on a knife with a grinder. I'm not sure what to think anymore. I'm not a gun nut and probably fall to the left of most of the hunting community here in New Zealand, but where does the erosion of personal freedoms in the pursuit of public safety end? Edited July 10 by Houseplant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 The backlash from this could have far more consequences than we realise. Already BBC newsreaders are pushing for results, quoting that a 'powerful' crossbow can be bought off the Internet, with next day delivery, to anyone who states they are over 18, without any proof of age ?? I don't know how that is relevant, as the suspected Offender in this case is well over 18. Of course all the usual bans are being called for and 'tighter controls' are being promised, no doubt firearms will be included within that, given the opportunity. It is ironic that this incident took place on a day when a drunk/drugged driver was sentenced to 17 years (around 8 years realistically), for killing 2 people whilst driving at 141mph. I don't recall seeing or hearing anyone screaming for the motor vehicle to be banned. I do not see kitchen knives being banned anytime soon, and there have been far more stabbings than crossbow incidents. But, of course banning the sale and possible ownership of crossbows is a relatively easy thing to implement, as opposed to dealing with the knife crime epidemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Firstly, condolences to the family involved. Secondly, I wonder what legitimate use there is for a crossbow? Is there a sport involved around crossbows like archery? It's a serious question as I don't know of any, but it may have passed me by. Whilst I can't argue with @Westley post above, there is a difference in both cars and kitchen knives because whilst both are capable of taking lives when misused, both also are 'necessary' in our lives and of course remain available (albeit within a legal framework around supply (knives) and usage (car on public roads). I am (as one would expect on this forum!) fully supportive of people holding shotguns, firearms as now licensed for legitimate target, vermin control and sporting usage. I would also support being allowed access to a wider range of firearms that have a legitimate usage (e.g. target sports) such as handguns (even though I never owned any when it was legal). Similarly - I would not wish to restrict archery as a target sport, but I remain to be convinced 'crossbows' have a 'legitimate' sport usage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Crossbows are used in field archery, not univsly liked as not in the spirit of archery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 32 minutes ago, vmaxphil said: Crossbows are used in field archery, not univsly liked as not in the spirit of archery So a bit like 'practical shotgun' then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Sorry I meant in the field archery world 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Hello, It is very sad to hear about this, But why blame the instrument eg, gun/crossbow/knife, it is the Fault of the person using it , ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 10 hours ago, Houseplant said: Goodbye crossbows. Yep. An awful happening for sure. No doubt a knee jerk coming. The perpetrator can't have been right in the head? Just need to look at the numbers of ex military people in need of treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Condolences to family and friends of the deceased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Secondly, I wonder what legitimate use there is for a crossbow? Is there a sport involved around crossbows like archery? It's a serious question as I don't know of any, but it may have passed me by. My gut reaction is the same, but what I've come to realise is that "legitimate" is very subjective. The legitimacy of lots of types of shooting and other activities could be questioned. Maybe the answer is just that it's fun and people want to do it. The anti-gun lobby (or in this instance the anti-everything lobby) will never be satisfied or meet in any sensible middle ground. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Crossbows can be used here to hunt wild animals, so is that legitimacy? Of course, you can't do that in the UK (or much else it seems), so the legitimacy is gone. Take away a reason to own something and you have no justification for owning it. It's a battle on two fronts and death by a thousand cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Firstly, condolences to the family involved. Secondly, I wonder what legitimate use there is for a crossbow? Is there a sport involved around crossbows like archery? It's a serious question as I don't know of any, but it may have passed me by. Are you suggesting that the only reason people have a crossbow is for illegitimate use? If not then you have answered your own question. I would hazard a guess that more people have been assaulted/killed by golf clubs but we don't hear a call for them to be licensed/banned. Edited July 11 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted July 11 Report Share Posted July 11 Apparently his brother Bradley is a convicted of murderer going back to 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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