welsh1 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, yickdaz said: I value my licence very highly and avoid doing anything to lose it held it for 33 years so i've done something right but i don't get people saying they wouldn't retalite, fair enough just sit there and let somebody or multiple persons kick your head in you will either end up in hospital or end up dead but hey I still have my SGC so all's good I have been in some very serious situations in my old profession, and have had to retaliate with a lot of force causing injuries to the other parties after they attacked me, my feo was glad when i retired from the job lol, but if there was a complaint they investigated it, interviewed me and when found that i had acted in self defense with a proportionate amount of force they were happy for me to carry on. Strangely the one time i did have my weapons removed by the police it was because another police force made a complaint that i had been aggressive toward them when they were called to a job i was doing, it was investigated, i had 3 hours of body cam footage that i gave to my feo, it showed the sgt and pc from the other force (gwent) had lied and i had acted correctly, i still have the letter the firearms manager gave me when he returned my weapons stating i had done no wrong and had acted in a professional manner throughout my interaction with the two officers. I made 4 complaints about the officers, 3 were upheld and the officers were given various fines and marks on thier records. If you are attacked and are in danger retaliate with resonable and proportionate force, don't be a victim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, welsh1 said: I have been in some very serious situations in my old profession, and have had to retaliate with a lot of force causing injuries to the other parties after they attacked me, my feo was glad when i retired from the job lol, but if there was a complaint they investigated it, interviewed me and when found that i had acted in self defense with a proportionate amount of force they were happy for me to carry on. Strangely the one time i did have my weapons removed by the police it was because another police force made a complaint that i had been aggressive toward them when they were called to a job i was doing, it was investigated, i had 3 hours of body cam footage that i gave to my feo, it showed the sgt and pc from the other force (gwent) had lied and i had acted correctly, i still have the letter the firearms manager gave me when he returned my weapons stating i had done no wrong and had acted in a professional manner throughout my interaction with the two officers. I made 4 complaints about the officers, 3 were upheld and the officers were given various fines and marks on thier records. If you are attacked and are in danger retaliate with resonable and proportionate force, don't be a victim. Great Post 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 A number of posters infer that I and / or others would stand by if we saw someone being assaulted or were personally attacked. That is jumping to silly conclusions at an Olympic level. The question the officer will have to face is whether he assaulted a man lying on the floor, defenceless and kicking / then stamping on his head. Police sources are now leaking the view that he was disorientated, following being hit and also thought his gun had been taken. That could well be acceptable. Without that mitigation, some on here seem to think that because the Policeman and his colleagues had been hit, that warranted some retaliation. That is the view that doesn't sit well with being an SGC holder. If you can't see that, I would seriously question whether you should have a licence. Please don't post stupid little scenarios which include your family being assaulted or the Pope getting mugged. It is just daft and wasn't what happened here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 (edited) Hello, Any idea why the police went after these people in the Airport ?? From what i have seen and read the police were waiting for them ?? I maybe wrong🤔 Edited July 29 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 17 hours ago, Westley said: This is a new generation of British born Asian youngsters. You only have to see their behaviour when they are driving their German cars. They do not give a toss for anybody, especially law and order. It is as if they have witnessed other ethnic groups, getting their own way by 'demonstrating' (or rioting) and thinking that's the way to do it, we shall follow suit. I can see things becoming a lot worse, before there is any improvement. A lot of sense in that comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 23 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Any idea why the police went after these people in the Airport ?? ah the ACTUAL start mere secs of footage that will prove who’s at fault yet nobody wants to produce it! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 24 minutes ago, Gordon R said: A number of posters infer that I and / or others would stand by if we saw someone being assaulted or were personally attacked. That is jumping to silly conclusions at an Olympic level. The question the officer will have to face is whether he assaulted a man lying on the floor, defenceless and kicking / then stamping on his head. Police sources are now leaking the view that he was disorientated, following being hit and also thought his gun had been taken. That could well be acceptable. Without that mitigation, some on here seem to think that because the Policeman and his colleagues had been hit, that warranted some retaliation. That is the view that doesn't sit well with being an SGC holder. If you can't see that, I would seriously question whether you should have a licence. Please don't post stupid little scenarios which include your family being assaulted or the Pope getting mugged. It is just daft and wasn't what happened here. My thoughts and views also 👍 Anyone who is defending an action will use any/all mitigation to clear themselves. The procedure will be to prove/disprove, and this is now undergoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 31 minutes ago, JKD said: My thoughts and views also 👍 Anyone who is defending an action will use any/all mitigation to clear themselves. The procedure will be to prove/disprove, and this is now undergoing. +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Any idea why the police went after these people in the Airport ?? And here is the biggest problem OPP , all the facts are not out there hence the problem . The second video showing the cctv last less than 30 seconds , not a lot of time to think , just time to react. Let justice prevail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: A number of posters infer that I and / or others would stand by if we saw someone being assaulted or were personally attacked. That is jumping to silly conclusions at an Olympic level. The question the officer will have to face is whether he assaulted a man lying on the floor, defenceless and kicking / then stamping on his head. Police sources are now leaking the view that he was disorientated, following being hit and also thought his gun had been taken. That could well be acceptable. Without that mitigation, some on here seem to think that because the Policeman and his colleagues had been hit, that warranted some retaliation. That is the view that doesn't sit well with being an SGC holder. If you can't see that, I would seriously question whether you should have a licence. Please don't post stupid little scenarios which include your family being assaulted or the Pope getting mugged. It is just daft and wasn't what happened here. I totally agree with Gordon,I personally think the officer lost control and went to far, but he will have a defence of concussion. Until you are in a very violent situation you will never know how you would react, some people can control themselves others lose it big time, always try to walk away, if you have to fight make it quick stop them and then get away, once they are no longer a threat you should stop, it's easy to say, but it may stop you ending up in court or prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, welsh1 said: you are attacked and are in danger retaliate with resonable and proportionate force, don't be a victim. That has to be the best answer, people on here have said many times that they wouldn't do a,b or c because they have a SGC, glad that the proper outcome happened in your case. 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Any idea why the police went after these people in the Airport ?? On the news last night it said there were two other things happened before the video footage, something on the plane denied by the airport?? And something in a cafe, no doubt whatever happened in the cafe will be on video/cctv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 (edited) 17 hours ago, Gordon R said: I can't understand why some rather limited individuals jump to conclusions without ever stopping to think how ridiculous they are. An OAP being mugged, raped or a member of the family being attacked are cited. None of these occurred. There was one person who was kicked in the head. He was lying face down, with a tazer held over him. The Policeman, at that point was not being attacked by two people or even one. Yet some bright spark say he would have done more and expresses concerns about anyone who wouldn't follow his rather stupid example. I trust the Policeman, who might well have been concussed, is not the subject of a witch hunt. If he is charged and found guilty of an unprovoked assault, would the same bright spark say he would have done more? I have difficulty having watched the second video to believe the actions of the police officer were unprovoked. It may have been excessive but certainly not unprovoked. Until we know what was in the mind of the officer at the time. Everything else is supposition. Edited July 29 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 On 28/07/2024 at 11:40, Rem260 said: Maybe having just been pummelled mercessly about the head by a large assailant he wasn’t quite thinking properly? Blows to the head can disorient and cause you to do things that you wouldn't normally do. How many times is temporary loss of mental capacity/reasoning used and accepted as a defense in court. 19 minutes ago, Rem260 said: I have difficulty having watched the second video to believe the actions of the police officer were unprovoked. It may have been excessive but certainly not unprovoked. Until we know what was in the mind of the officer at the time. Everything else is supposition. Overuse of supposition maybe ? Yes, it may have been excessive, and I'm sure it's all being investigated right now 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 I am interested to hear how well known the various individuals are to the police, HMRC, DHSS, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 3 hours ago, JKD said: Lots of ifs buts and maybes going on here,,,, and all mean diddly squatt to this incident 🙄 Agreed. The point is none of us have the full picture yet. Video doesn't capture sound, it doesn't cover the incident from the perspective of those involved and we don't have the input of those involved and what they believed the time. To outright brand any of the actions as categorically wrong or right at the moment, is premature at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said: Agreed. The point is none of us have the full picture yet. Video doesn't capture sound, it doesn't cover the incident from the perspective of those involved and we don't have the input of those involved and what they believed the time. To outright brand any of the actions as categorically wrong or right at the moment, is premature at best. 👍 Sort of 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Looks like some of their friends were in Derbyshire as well . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn38n8pe#### Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dainty duck Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, Jega said: Looks like some of their friends were in Derbyshire as well . https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn38n8pe#### Well there's one thing for certain no police will injured or will be at this incident ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 9 hours ago, welsh1 said: I totally agree with Gordon,I personally think the officer lost control and went to far, but he will have a defence of concussion Surely it is mitigation at best? 8 hours ago, Flashman said: I am interested to hear how well known the various individuals are to the police, HMRC, DHSS, etc. Good few of them are police, they're the ones in dark blue with tasers and kicking those who can't defend themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 17 hours ago, henry d said: Good few of them are police, they're the ones in dark blue with tasers and kicking those who can't defend themselves. You're behind the times - the latest film footage shows those "who can't defend themselves" starting the riot and punching a woman in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 2 minutes ago, Flashman said: You're behind the times - the latest film footage shows those "who can't defend themselves" starting the riot and punching a woman in the face. the start is a point where everything is the norm not footage to distract from it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 It's a shame that no footage has yet been released of the mother's altercation with the other passenger and the brothers' altercation with him in Starbucks which necessitated a police presence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 8 Report Share Posted August 8 A 2nd Police officer is under criminal investigation for assault during the Manchester Airport incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 8 Report Share Posted August 8 Just now, Penelope said: A 2nd Police officer is under criminal investigation for assault during the Manchester Airport incident. Gordon Bennett, I wonder how many will seriously consider giving up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 8 Report Share Posted August 8 9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Gordon Bennett, I wonder how many will seriously consider giving up? I was just thinking the very same thing the other day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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