Terrible news again

[Raja Clavata]

Looking increasingly likely it will burn regardless.

[sportsbob]

26 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Do you have the source for your quote?

Beat me to that question as I was asked something remarkably similar.

[ditchman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_Act#/media/File:The_Riot_Act_text.jpg

 

i believe Tony Blair repealed this...........

[Stonepark]

5 hours ago, welsh1 said:

Do you have the source for your quote?

Police and ex-police on whatsapp

[scolopax]

I am beginning to realise we are as a nation sitting on a powder keg of pent up frustration with the large numbers of asylum seekers / illegals immigrants, especially those certain religion. We live in interesting times

[Mice!]

Well we were in London today and everything seemed very relaxed, despite being a lovely day it didn't seem too busy, doesn't seem like it's the same across the country.

[Weihrauch17]

23 minutes ago, scolopax said:

I am beginning to realise we are as a nation sitting on a powder keg of pent up frustration with the large numbers of asylum seekers / illegals immigrants, especially those certain religion. We live in interesting times

Starmer's speech yesterday basically said we will come down as hard as we can on White Protestors all tarred with the same brush of being right wing extremists and anyone demonstrating in London for Palestine etc or rioting in Leeds for example can carry on with impunity.  He has made things a lot worse and is totally tone deaf.  Southport isn't the whole story, it is the straw that broke the Camels back. 

Edited August 2, 2024 by Weihrauch17

[welsh1]

3 hours ago, Stonepark said:

Police and ex-police on whatsapp

So gossip then.

[sportsbob]

Good night all,  we'll see what's said tomorrow regarding Sunderland this evening. 

[12gauge82]

18 hours ago, oowee said:

I read this thread and am saddened by the rhetoric and racist tropes that are trotted out. Worse still posters don't realise that they are doing it. Racism is not for me. 

 

 

Agreed, I understand where your coming from. I can't even be bothered to address it. It would only fall on deaf ears 

[Raja Clavata]

20 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Not for me either.

Unfortunately, there are some parents in Southport who might just feel there is a racial element to why their children were maimed and murdered, if in their grief they express this concern, they are themselves branded far right racists, whilst being prepared for the inevitable 'mental illness' excuse for why this has happened. 

The question has been asked, multiple times, and ignored, we have had a large number of mass killings using knives over the past decade, what percentage were carried out by which demographic ?

If the question is considered a racist one, what possible chance do we have to address it ? Do we just have to accept it, and wait for the next one.

Is this the new normal, where we are more scared of offending a minority, than the actual crime ?

Has anyone criticised the family or friends of victims in the aftermath of this atrocity for anything they have said? Given the utterly pointless taking of lives, other lives ruined then I’d think it reasonable to afford those directly affected with more than a little understanding of their emotions, outbursts or pretty much whatever else, their suffering is barely comprehensible.

The colour of the perpetrator is clearly obvious to everyone, one of the small number of indisputable facts it seems. 

Clearly there will be investigation into whether or not the attack was racially motivated but for the victims of this crime how does such an outcome help.

As you’ve said many times, the demographic of the majority of knife crime in this country is young black males. But surely nobody is suggesting the pigmentation of someone’s skin alone predisposes them to knife based criminal acts.

There should be no fear of being branded racist for stating a simple fact but it starts to blur racist lines if that fact becomes the preoccupied focus in the discussion.

I see parallels to illegal immigration here, people tend to focus their outrage on the people who are already here, for which there is very little we can do. Wouldn’t attention be better spent holding authorities to account that allow them to arrive in the first place and a joined up concerted effort on shutting down the boats, vehicle based trafficking and visa scams etc.

Similarly with knife crime, the focus needs to be on addressing the root causes, skin pigmentation is a symptom not a root cause. The question is how to identify the root causes and address them.

I don’t get the focus on the mental illness point, surely it’s moot. Nowhere on this planet is it deemed socially acceptable to go around slashing and stabbing other people, regardless of the motives or flawed ideologies that lead to such actions. How can anyone doing such things not be mental.

[B686]

29 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Has anyone criticised the family or friends of victims in the aftermath of this atrocity for anything they have said? Given the utterly pointless taking of lives, other lives ruined then I’d think it reasonable to afford those directly affected with more than a little understanding of their emotions, outbursts or pretty much whatever else, their suffering is barely comprehensible.

The colour of the perpetrator is clearly obvious to everyone, one of the small number of indisputable facts it seems. 

Clearly there will be investigation into whether or not the attack was racially motivated but for the victims of this crime how does such an outcome help.

As you’ve said many times, the demographic of the majority of knife crime in this country is young black males. But surely nobody is suggesting the pigmentation of someone’s skin alone predisposes them to knife based criminal acts.

There should be no fear of being branded racist for stating a simple fact but it starts to blur racist lines if that fact becomes the preoccupied focus in the discussion.

I see parallels to illegal immigration here, people tend to focus their outrage on the people who are already here, for which there is very little we can do. Wouldn’t attention be better spent holding authorities to account that allow them to arrive in the first place and a joined up concerted effort on shutting down the boats, vehicle based trafficking and visa scams etc.

Similarly with knife crime, the focus needs to be on addressing the root causes, skin pigmentation is a symptom not a root cause. The question is how to identify the root causes and address them.

I don’t get the focus on the mental illness point, surely it’s moot. Nowhere on this planet is it deemed socially acceptable to go around slashing and stabbing other people, regardless of the motives or flawed ideologies that lead to such actions. How can anyone doing such things not be mental.

Good post.

[Rewulf]

44 minutes ago, B686 said:

Good post

+1

If it gets much worse , I might jump on a ferry somewhere and claim asylum, stating that I'm being victimised in my own country for political views.

I reckon I've got a chance these days.

[old man]

20 hours ago, Dave-G said:

The point those with the large foreign flags are making is being ignored by the authorities and overlooks the agenda. 

Flag waving in the way some hard liners have done is a message that 'we have taken London from the kuffars'

That racism seems to be OK because its done by very large numbers who know our authorities will let it slide rather than break it up because there is not the manpower to deal with it.

Gullible individuals unfortunately (seems to me) have been influenced to carry out braver attacks to get some time with virgins, and yes 'the 17 years old' looks like a wrong un.

 

Not sure about the manpower angle, there appears to be something far more sinister afoot?

[old man]

18 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Then maybe the right question need to be asked to those who knew this person,  his school and any other authority that has had dealings with him.  But then you have to ask will all the truth come out. Time will tell.

Maybe the so called truth that is released will only reflect the officially sanitised position?

[johnphilip]

3 minutes ago, old man said:

Maybe the so called truth that is released will only reflect the officially sanitised position?

Exactly,  same as the Manchester airport incident  , the second  Cctv showed more of the story . How it started .

[B686]

39 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

+1

If it gets much worse , I might jump on a ferry somewhere and claim asylum, stating that I'm being victimised in my own country for political views.

I reckon I've got a chance these days.

Your probably right , be a few countrys you could have to yourself as they will all be here🤣

[old'un]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

Has anyone criticised the family or friends of victims in the aftermath of this atrocity for anything they have said? Given the utterly pointless taking of lives, other lives ruined then I’d think it reasonable to afford those directly affected with more than a little understanding of their emotions, outbursts or pretty much whatever else, their suffering is barely comprehensible.

The colour of the perpetrator is clearly obvious to everyone, one of the small number of indisputable facts it seems. 

Clearly there will be investigation into whether or not the attack was racially motivated but for the victims of this crime how does such an outcome help.

As you’ve said many times, the demographic of the majority of knife crime in this country is young black males. But surely nobody is suggesting the pigmentation of someone’s skin alone predisposes them to knife based criminal acts.

There should be no fear of being branded racist for stating a simple fact but it starts to blur racist lines if that fact becomes the preoccupied focus in the discussion.

I see parallels to illegal immigration here, people tend to focus their outrage on the people who are already here, for which there is very little we can do. Wouldn’t attention be better spent holding authorities to account that allow them to arrive in the first place and a joined up concerted effort on shutting down the boats, vehicle based trafficking and visa scams etc.

Similarly with knife crime, the focus needs to be on addressing the root causes, skin pigmentation is a symptom not a root cause. The question is how to identify the root causes and address them.

I don’t get the focus on the mental illness point, surely it’s moot. Nowhere on this planet is it deemed socially acceptable to go around slashing and stabbing other people, regardless of the motives or flawed ideologies that lead to such actions. How can anyone doing such things not be mental.

I don't think anyone is suggesting the pigmentation (colour) of someone’s skin alone predisposes them to knife based criminal acts, but pigmentation of someone’s skin is used to describe them, e.g. white, black etc, can you separate the two?

the term ‘black’ (pigmentation) is mostly associated with people from African descendants, the word ‘black’ is something most if not all...well, black people prefer to be called, I know they hate the term coloured or brown.

[Raja Clavata]

1 minute ago, old'un said:

I don't think anyone is suggesting the pigmentation (colour) of someone’s skin alone predisposes them to knife based criminal acts, but pigmentation of someone’s skin is used to describe them, e.g. white, black etc, can you separate the two?

the term ‘black’ (pigmentation) is mostly associated with people from African descendants, the word ‘black’ is something most if not all...well, black people prefer to be called, I know they hate the term coloured or brown.

Yes, agreed.

[sportsbob]

3 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Has anyone criticised the family or friends of victims in the aftermath of this atrocity for anything they have said? Given the utterly pointless taking of lives, other lives ruined then I’d think it reasonable to afford those directly affected with more than a little understanding of their emotions, outbursts or pretty much whatever else, their suffering is barely comprehensible.

The colour of the perpetrator is clearly obvious to everyone, one of the small number of indisputable facts it seems. 

Clearly there will be investigation into whether or not the attack was racially motivated but for the victims of this crime how does such an outcome help.

As you’ve said many times, the demographic of the majority of knife crime in this country is young black males. But surely nobody is suggesting the pigmentation of someone’s skin alone predisposes them to knife based criminal acts.

There should be no fear of being branded racist for stating a simple fact but it starts to blur racist lines if that fact becomes the preoccupied focus in the discussion.

I see parallels to illegal immigration here, people tend to focus their outrage on the people who are already here, for which there is very little we can do. Wouldn’t attention be better spent holding authorities to account that allow them to arrive in the first place and a joined up concerted effort on shutting down the boats, vehicle based trafficking and visa scams etc.

Similarly with knife crime, the focus needs to be on addressing the root causes, skin pigmentation is a symptom not a root cause. The question is how to identify the root causes and address them.

I don’t get the focus on the mental illness point, surely it’s moot. Nowhere on this planet is it deemed socially acceptable to go around slashing and stabbing other people, regardless of the motives or flawed ideologies that lead to such actions. How can anyone doing such things not be mental.

A very good post, however it uses terms like "Race" and "pigmentation" where many believe the problem lies with a persons "culture" and the race issue is bought into play as a smoke screen to deflect valid criticism.  You also say that " Nowhere on this planet is it deemed socially acceptable to go around slashing and stabbing other people" however it does seem to be some peoples  "culture" .

Edited August 3, 2024 by sportsbob

[yickdaz]

whatever race or creed lets hope this dosen't happen again anytime soon as in next week or so it would be at the wrong time not that there is a right time thats all i can say 

[Raja Clavata]

54 minutes ago, sportsbob said:

A very good post, however it uses terms like "Race" and "pigmentation" where many believe the problem lies with a persons "culture" and the race issue is bought into play as a smoke screen to deflect valid criticism.  You also say that " Nowhere on this planet is it deemed socially acceptable to go around slashing and stabbing other people" however it does seem to be there "culture" .

Perhaps something to ponder is, is the U.K. knife crime “culture” a result of race or social class, lacking opportunity, disillusionment etc.?

I suspect there’s a tendency to reflect on the machete / knife culture we see in Africa and project that here as “their” culture. But again is it a result of culture or class, I think if you look into it you’ll see that the middle and upper classes in African countries aren’t going around stabbing and chopping one another up, it’s the work of their lower social classes (just like here).
 

[amateur]

2 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Exactly,  same as the Manchester airport incident  , the second  Cctv showed more of the story . How it started .

We still haven't seen any footage of the mother's involvement in the original altercations airside and in Starbucks.

[ditchman]

several months ago several of us on PW predicted this unrest would happen...regardless of what fuse was lit...

i fear it will get worse regardless what the frightened govt is going to do....it will continue to get worse...until the root cause is addressed...

[Yellow Bear]

A question --- would we be having the discussion as to whether of not this is a racist incident if the pigmentation on both sides was reversed?

I suggest not, as the MSM would be screaming "racist attack", and herein lies the bulk of the problem.

Edited August 3, 2024 by Yellow Bear