Miserableolgit Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 5 minutes ago, ditchman said: i can remember the conversation my wife and i had...in the staff room with the doctor...we asked to see the doctor and he made time and a private area to have the conversation...i remember it very very well altho it was over 2 decades ago.....i / we had never heard of Liverpool pathway or assisted death............it was a truthful and frank and honest conversation.... even now i feel a great sense of relief talking about it....as it was so dignified as to how it was handled........this is how (as i now know) how things were handled in the old days... I am glad it was like that for you DM. Having had a brief chat with my wife just now reminded me how aggrieved she, as next of kin, nor her mother - who still had 'all her marbles' - was because neither of them were at any stage consulted before the implementation of the 'pathway'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 In principle I'm fully behind the idea. The problem is the human element. Frankly I don't trust all doctors and nurses to have the persons best interests at heart. I'm not blaming them, but when you see death everyday, your loved ones demise is just a regular Tuesday to them, I've seen it with family already, let alone if assisted dying we're aloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 1 minute ago, Miserableolgit said: I am glad it was like that for you DM. Having had a brief chat with my wife just now reminded me how aggrieved she, as next of kin, nor her mother - who still had 'all her marbles' - was because neither of them were at any stage consulted before the implementation of the 'pathway'. the reason you wernt consulted is because it is illeagal to kill someone.................often the old ways are the best and then the woke /liberal/.left wing school get hold of it and start to (what was perfectly adiquate in the first place) and "tinker with the issue... which really is a recipe of the modern ills of today....politically and medically dont get me started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 Ahh yes the "Liverpool Pathway" --- another of A B liars wonderful policies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted November 26 Report Share Posted November 26 (edited) 14 hours ago, welsh1 said: My worry with assisted dying is coersion, in canada there seems to be a creep from you asking, to practitioners suggesting, and if you are vulnerable this shouldn't be allowed. This, this and this!!! I believe that there is a disabled female veteran, was offered MAID, when all she was asking for is assistance with living. Edited November 26 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 26 Report Share Posted November 26 13 hours ago, Miserableolgit said: To the best of my memory I do not recall her or her next of kin [my wife] being asked. In fact I just checked with her and my wife confirms that was the case. Our situation was even more difficult due to my wife's sister being a nurse instigating the thing. We weren't consulted in any way by anyone and the rift is evident now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boristhedog Posted November 26 Report Share Posted November 26 The proposed Bill for Assisted Dying has safeguards including sign off by two doctors and a High Court Judge for each case. I wonder just how quickly this process could move forward. Two doctors, probably not too slow but a High Court Judge? Would one really be available to consider a case in time to make the decision relevant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 26 Report Share Posted November 26 fact the gov will leave you in agony or let you die to save money on treatment or drugs says this has nothing to do with ease of suffering and everything to do with a cheap bullet for those they see as a burden! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 (edited) Just listening to the debate on the radio now. I understand protecting the vulnerable those that might be subject to pressure but little thought for the thousands that want a way out. If faced with the reality of a prolonged, painful and miserable last few months of my own life then I would want that choice. In my view the bill does not go far enough. Edited November 29 by oowee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 On 25/11/2024 at 19:44, Miserableolgit said: To the best of my memory I do not recall her or her next of kin [my wife] being asked. In fact I just checked with her and my wife confirms that was the case. Our situation was even more difficult due to my wife's sister being a nurse instigating the thing. We weren't consulted in any way by anyone and the rift is evident now. 1 hour ago, oowee said: Just listening to the debate on the radio now. I understand protecting the vulnerable those that might be subject to pressure but little thought for the thousands that want a way out. If faced with the reality of a prolonged, painful and miserable last few months of my own life then I would want that choice. In my view the bill does not go far enough. Fairly sure this will fail as we seem to have a failed view on how to be humane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 12 minutes ago, old man said: Our situation was even more difficult due to my wife's sister being a nurse instigating the thing. We weren't consulted in any way by anyone and the rift is evident now. Fairly sure this will fail as we seem to have a failed view on how to be humane? Seems the bill has been passed now. A step backwards in my opinion. A radio show I listened to yesterday had a palliative care expert on saying most countries that pass assisted suicide bills then go on to reduce spending in palliative care. You can see how that would encourage people towards assisted suicide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 2 minutes ago, Rob85 said: Seems the bill has been passed now. A step backwards in my opinion. A radio show I listened to yesterday had a palliative care expert on saying most countries that pass assisted suicide bills then go on to reduce spending in palliative care. You can see how that would encourage people towards assisted suicide The two things don't have to be exclusive. What the debate has done is raise the issue of palliative care, which can only be a good thing. To reject the bill would be to ensure the suffering of thousands that would want the opportunity to exercise their choice. There is much work to do before this can become law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 1 hour ago, oowee said: In my view the bill does not go far enough. Quite agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 Ive rolled this one over and over in my mind , and I just can't come to a yes or no . I think the government would be better to give the vote to 500 people that are terminally ill , and see what they think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 8 minutes ago, mel b3 said: 8 minutes ago, mel b3 said: Ive rolled this one over and over in my mind , and I just can't come to a yes or no . Same here. I just keep thinking, ‘it’s bad enough having your dog put to sleep,’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boristhedog Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 35 minutes ago, London Best said: Same here. I just keep thinking, ‘it’s bad enough having your dog put to sleep,’ It is, but it’s also the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 45 minutes ago, London Best said: Same here. I just keep thinking, ‘it’s bad enough having your dog put to sleep,’ 9 minutes ago, Boristhedog said: It is, but it’s also the right thing to do. That's why I'm struggling with it , because even totally opposite opinions, are both the right answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 3 hours ago, Scully said: 4 hours ago, oowee said: In my view the bill does not go far enough. Quite agree. How would you like to see it "improved"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aled Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 Well there we go it looks like it may happen, i like others have really mixed feelings, i worked in a care home for the elderly as a student, and there were people there who would of gladly taken the assisted dying option if it was available to them however.....a family friend was given 6 months to live, and...4 years later she is still with us, her pain is manageable, yet the Dr's cannot change her diagnosis, her tumour is the same size and in the same place, but...she's still with us and having a good quality of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 2 hours ago, serrac said: How would you like to see it "improved"? I’d like to see less state interference. It all comes down to an individuals freedom of choice and a matter of trust in the many professional medical individuals who are involved in cases such as this, especially in the stages of palliative care. An individual can express a wish for a DNR instruction, so why expressing an instruction to end their life should be any different I don’t know. 🤷♂️ It’s typical of us to finally propose this ‘freedom of choice’ and then make it as difficuilt as possible to implement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 2 minutes ago, Aled said: Well there we go it looks like it may happen, i like others have really mixed feelings, i worked in a care home for the elderly as a student, and there were people there who would of gladly taken the assisted dying option if it was available to them however.....a family friend was given 6 months to live, and...4 years later she is still with us, her pain is manageable, yet the Dr's cannot change her diagnosis, her tumour is the same size and in the same place, but...she's still with us and having a good quality of life. I’m currently working for a feisty, larger than life woman who was diagnosed as terminal 14 years ago. She is under constant and regular medical supervision and medication, but just because people are diagnosed as thus doesn’t mean they will choose to die; some do some don’t, but there has to be that choice. She has a good quality of life despite having literally been through the shredder, and staggers me with her mental strength and courage. She is going to New Zealand on Boxing Day and returning via Singapore and Vietnam and somewhere else I can’t recall now. She has no intention of giving up but admits the only thing that worries her is ‘the end’, as she doesn’t want to be made to hang about. She is very pleased this is a step nearer to people having that choice. I am in awe of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 Sounds like a VERY sensible Lady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 29 Report Share Posted November 29 4 hours ago, serrac said: How would you like to see it "improved"? Quality of life should be a factor for those that want it. A 6 month window for death is too short. It could take 4 months to process the request. Accepting that its all very difficult to provide the right safeguards but for things like alzheimer's or other degenerative disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 8 hours ago, mel b3 said: Ive rolled this one over and over in my mind , and I just can't come to a yes or no . I think the government would be better to give the vote to 500 people that are terminally ill , and see what they think. i am of the same mind............devil if you do devil if you dont......... 2 hours ago, oowee said: Quality of life should be a factor for those that want it. A 6 month window for death is too short. It could take 4 months to process the request. Accepting that its all very difficult to provide the right safeguards but for things like alzheimer's or other degenerative disease. the thing is with dementia/altzimers is the patients think everything is normal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 4 hours ago, ditchman said: the thing is with dementia/altzimers is the patients think everything is normal Lins dad has dementia , but he's convinced that he's perfectly OK. He has no idea of the 24 hour a day chaos that goes on around him . I think that one of my greatest fears with assisted dying, is government involvement. How many years will it take before g4s , or some similar overseer take over the decision making process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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