lucas Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 This has been bobbing about the news for some time. There are shops on high streets and shopping centers purely set up to supply these. I'd hazard a guess that it's probably a multi billion pound market. I cannot see how politics or policeing can control the potential harm done by these so my question is: should we spend millions on research, awareness campaigns etc etc which may be fruitless or just leave those who want to sniff smoke eat plant fertilizer to it? I can see this becoming a bigger issue than illegal drugs in the future, do you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Who cares what others put u there nose nothing to do with you /me or others each to there own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Who cares what others put u there nose nothing to do with you /me or others each to there own I care when as a result of their drug habit they impinge on my family or community by stealing to fund their habit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 If idiots want to play Russian Roulette with their lives taking these chemicals no advertising campaign will deter them. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedd-wyn Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Kids as young as 13 have been caught dabbling with this suff round my neck of the woods. The thing is it wears off much quicker than other mainstream class A's so the kids can just go home after a few hours of using it and play their xboxes, watch telly etc and mother and father wouldn't have a clue what they've been up to. Unbelievable what **** people are willing to put up their noses these days, when I was 13 Olbas Oil was the only thing to come near my nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Who cares what others put u there nose nothing to do with you /me or others each to there own What about the money wasted treating them in hospital or policing the crimes committed to find the habit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 It will be huge soon, particularly for entry into the drugs scene and for clubbers/those born in the 90`s. The potential for psychological harm is great along as there is no long term research (mainly because they are so new). Until they started to appear in shops here, it was only those who had internet access, debit cards etc that could get hold of them so the likelyhood of crime rates going up was small, but now they are available over the counter, it may be different. It certainly will for kids getting their hands on them Check out "legally High" if it is still available on 4OD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 They had the perfect drug in extasy in fact it is safer to take than most drugs like asprin but one or two people got some bad ones and so they banned it instead of doing the proper thing and leaglising it and making it with clean ingredients and selling it over the counter in chemist I could say the same about marihuana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think this thread is very funny. All this "people playing Russian roulette and not knowing what they are getting". Blimey, that happens every weekend in every pub / club throughout the land and hasn't thus far stemmed the masses desire for drugs (legal or otherwise). The "market sector" is massive. Absolutely massive. Legalisation and taxation are the only sensible answers to a war that hasn't been won, won't be won and can't be won. Alchol is legal and on balance the majority manage to stay sober, get to work and not overdose..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 This has been bobbing about the news for some time. There are shops on high streets and shopping centers purely set up to supply these. I'd hazard a guess that it's probably a multi billion pound market. I cannot see how politics or policeing can control the potential harm done by these so my question is: should we spend millions on research, awareness campaigns etc etc which may be fruitless or just leave those who want to sniff smoke eat plant fertilizer to it? I can see this becoming a bigger issue than illegal drugs in the future, do you agree? Every comment in this post could just as easily be describing and relevant to that other already legal high, alcohol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 They need to legalise everything, clean it, tax it and everyone would be much better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) I care when as a result of their drug habit they impinge on my family or community by stealing to fund their habit.you are like me you seen benefit streetEdit to say I do know what your saying tho Edited January 16, 2014 by martyn2233 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexl Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Legalisation and taxation are the only sensible answers to a war that hasn't been won, won't be won and can't be won. Alchol is legal and on balance the majority manage to stay sober, get to work and not overdose..... Entirely agree, Tax generated would be enormous, drugs would be cleaner as they are from a reputable source, and some of the 'cool' factor may be eliminated. Lots and lots of people take lots of different drugs, I've met loads of different professionals who dabble in various drugs, none are addicts, none steal to pay for their recreational habits. Heroin, crack and crystal meth are a different matter entirely, takers of these are often the types that will beg borrow and steal to get high. there are a few who will become dependant on any drug, and may turn into wrong'uns but is this not the case with alcohol too? Id be willing to wager that the NHS/policing cost related to alcohol abuse outweigh those of drug users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 They need to legalise everything, clean it, tax it and everyone would be much better off. this could work, drug shops and no dealers on the streets. at least the tax could help with the clean up, people will always take drugs including drink and baccy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 My legal high is a bottle of sainsburys own orange glucose drink.. Liquid viagra as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 It is a difficult one. Personally I can't understand why people would want to get "high" or what it's supposed to feel like. Anything what causes your brain to function abnormaly for an emotion can't be healthy can it? I think legal highs will have a bigger negative impact than illegal drugs, due to the fact your not hideing from the law, it's easy to get, and the big difference are the ingredients. I've been told you can make explosives from household items but the item's by themselves are harmless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikk Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 It is a difficult one. Personally I can't understand why people would want to get "high" or what it's supposed to feel like. Anything what causes your brain to function abnormaly for an emotion can't be healthy can it? I think legal highs will have a bigger negative impact than illegal drugs, due to the fact your not hideing from the law, it's easy to get, and the big difference are the ingredients. I've been told you can make explosives from household items but the item's by themselves are harmless. You don't drink or smoke then? It's no differnet really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 It is a difficult one. Personally I can't understand why people would want to get "high" or what it's supposed to feel like. Anything what causes your brain to function abnormaly for an emotion can't be healthy can it?.Same reason people have a drink too, sometimes it's relaxing? Also to really throw the cat in, some truly great discoveries and works if art were fuelled by imbibing something that altered thought processes - the guys that discovered the double helix of DNA were off their heads on LSD and by their own admission wouldn't have discovered it without chemical help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 You don't drink or smoke then? It's no differnet really Except for the legality! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I think this thread is very funny. All this "people playing Russian roulette and not knowing what they are getting". Blimey, that happens every weekend in every pub / club throughout the land and hasn't thus far stemmed the masses desire for drugs (legal or otherwise). The "market sector" is massive. Absolutely massive. Legalisation and taxation are the only sensible answers to a war that hasn't been won, won't be won and can't be won. Alchol is legal and on balance the majority manage to stay sober, get to work and not overdose..... As above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Same reason people have a drink too, sometimes it's relaxing? Also to really throw the cat in, some truly great discoveries and works if art were fuelled by imbibing something that altered thought processes - the guys that discovered the double helix of DNA were off their heads on LSD and by their own admission wouldn't have discovered it without chemical help. That's a bit of an urban myth...according to Crick's wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Same reason people have a drink too, sometimes it's relaxing? Also to really throw the cat in, some truly great discoveries and works if art were fuelled by imbibing something that altered thought processes - the guys that discovered the double helix of DNA were off their heads on LSD and by their own admission wouldn't have discovered it without chemical help. awesome! although i no longer partake in the use of such substances, and wouldn't even if they became legal, i have no real problem with others who choose to say yes to drugs, all i ask is just don't nick my gear to pay for yours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Kids as young as 13 have been caught dabbling with this suff round my neck of the woods. The thing is it wears off much quicker than other mainstream class A's so the kids can just go home after a few hours of using it and play their xboxes, watch telly etc and mother and father wouldn't have a clue what they've been up to. Similar age to the ones we speak to. If the parents knew some of the signs (sniffing, gurning, grinding...) but there are so many different ones, that said the drug/poly drug of choice is stimulant/euphoric/depressant for young people. They had the perfect drug in extasy in fact it is safer to take than most drugs like asprin but one or two people got some bad ones and so they banned it instead of doing the proper thing and leaglising it and making it with clean ingredients and selling it over the counter in chemist I could say the same about marihuana. Problem with E`s are they aint be about long enough for any long term probs to surface. Every comment in this post could just as easily be describing and relevant to that other already legal high, alcohol! See above, I`ll also add in that Ketamine and its cousins legal and otherwise have quickly shown themselves to be horrendous on peoples bladders, E`s/ MDMA etc have not been about long enough, there is however increasing evidence that there can be psych problems. Entirely agree, Tax generated would be enormous, drugs would be cleaner as they are from a reputable source... This is where it all falls down, the drugs are, if you believe the blurb (and it seems to be true to a certain extent), 98+% pure. This is way above street/illegal drugs (non prescription), yet there have been problems after a "legal high" has been made illegal there is lots of product left over, such as when Mkat was made illegal, so the chemists get on with there work and make some alterations to the chemical make up and once the take up of this new drug is on the rise, they cut it with the old stuff and if you get caught with it then you are carrying an illegal substance. No point saying that you thought that the plant food/pond cleaner/research chemical that you snorted or bombed was XYZ it was labelled as not for human consumption, off to jail, do not pass go... Again if it is legalised it could go well, short term as we do not know the long term problems with the drug, never mind if it is used alongside other drugs legal or otherwise. Many users now use several drugs as they know the good and bad effects it has with them and they combat the bad of one with the good of another to get the desired effect. Long term it may be seen as a good thing for todays politician but I have serious misgivings. Once we get towards a legal substance that is government backed we get the problems of young people who see it as a norm and want to get their hands on it, as it is (then) a norm some will see it as being legitimate to target young people directly and indirectly. Have a search about the rise in alcopops in the 90`s when YP left bars and clubs for raves and E`s. Advertising and promotion were in their infancy then compared with now, so imagine it being mixed with personalised internet advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Not sure how you can say mdma hasnt been around long enough to understand its long term effects, its origins are back around 1910 ish. One of the most addictive and damaging drugs out there is tobacco, if they want to legislate on the basis of health concerns that would be a good place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I understand the point about alcohol and tobacco, I think that these highs are much less severe in comparison. I mean what is more extreme, someone having a tablet and seeing the tooth fairy and believeing they can fly or having a smoke to calm some nerves or a drink to do the same? You have to remember that legal highs have no potency or addiction limits and the harmful effects are unknown for each. With alcohol or tobacco it's fairly well publicized to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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