nobbyathome Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 typical i took a day off of work to go to a hospital appointment. on the way home on my motorcycle there were 3 cars in front of me slowing down to stop at a pedestrian crossing there was 2 lanes of traffic coming against me and the cars did not leave room for me to filter on the outside but left plenty on the inside so i undertook to get to the front of them i passed the first one slowly i got alongside the second one and the idiot opened the door on me hitting my rear pannier and pushing me into a lamp post wrecking the bike luckily enough i am battered but nothing broken obvious in hindsight i should not have undertaken them but as they left me no room on the outside i thought t would be ok my question guys is although the undertaking is not good it is not illegal since the 1972 road traffic act as it was a pedestrian crossing with zig zags and she opened the door surly that is illegal in the first place and (the way i see it if i saw the door open i should have been able to stop) i was in sight of her and nearly in front (i didnt see the door open i just felt the shove sideways) as she hit the rear panniers is she at fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 I would quit now while your ahead KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 As far as I'm aware it is illegal to overtake where you have zig-zag lines on the approach to a pedestrian crossing. I may be wrong but I think it's illegal. I know parking on zig-zags is illegal but not sure about opening a door. What bike has she ruined? Glad you didn't come off too badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 how can she be at fault,you under took her on a crossing with zig zag lines .do you know what the lines mean ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Sorry i think you are at fault, was it really that important to move forward 20 yards, as you have found out you gained nothing but lost allot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefox70 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Not 100% sure but i thought zig zags were a no no for overtaking which technically speaking thats what you were doing. They are there for a purpose and pretty sure you were at fault. But the passenger should have looked first before opening the door so could be a 50/50 claim at best. Sorry for being the bearer, but at least no one was seriously hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 No sympathy here , its a pain in the *** when bikers undertake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 thanks for the replies guys hindsight is a great thing eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx10mike Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 how can she be at fault,you under took her on a crossing with zig zag lines .do you know what the lines mean ? this coming from a man who tries to illegally tries to park on a acces only rd only to be told of by a really ard builder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonblasterian Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Shame about your bike.Was the car damaged as you might get a claim against you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 and they say look out for bikes, and you under take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat_jay Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 thanks for the replies guys hindsight is a great thing eh? common sense may be of more benefit than hindsight.....just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 There's undertaking and undertaking. A motorway or even dual carriageway undertake when the OSLOC are out in force and you can legally travel within the speed limits in the inside lane...while the outside does 15 mph less, is perfectly legitimate and I'll do it all day long. Up the inside of a car in an urban setting is risky at best, and on the ZigZags plain illegal, be it stationary or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Tough on you but I am afraid I cannot offer you any sympathy. A few years ago, I was driving in London and had to stop at traffic lights, in the left hand lane and indicating to turn left. As I turned left, there was an almost almighty bang - a cyclist had tried to undertake me - he was intending to go straight on and traffic going ahead was stationary. Fortunately, there were witnesses, including a taxi driver behind me who had seen my indicators and they stopped to back me up. The cyclist was OK, the bicycle was a wreck, my car was OK and but I was mightily shaken up. As others have said, it is just not worth doing something silly in an attempt to save a few seconds or gain a few yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted April 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 no luckily enough the car door was just scraped because i was pushed into a lamppost my bike could be a write off and i am third party so thats me pretty much stiffed i can see what you are all saying about the undertaking i just didnt expect her to open the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 this coming from a man who tries to illegally tries to park on a acces only rd only to be told of by a really ard builder he was'nt that hard.as i remember he would'nt come from behind his gate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Sorry to hear you've had an accident..... But what where you thinking, ive been riding bikes for a few years now and probably done some silly things but never like this. But hindsight is a great thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxy bingo Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 if she was not moving and you were moving and the vehicles made contact the vehicle that was moving is at fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boromir Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Take Kdubya's advice matey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 no luckily enough the car door was just scraped because i was pushed into a lamppost my bike could be a write off and i am third party so thats me pretty much stiffed i can see what you are all saying about the undertaking i just didnt expect her to open the door i ride my bike to work daily if you were undertaking as slowly as you say then how was you bike written off?? my lad was knocked off last year he was goiny slow and only twisted his folks and got a scuff on the faring, you must of been going some to have it written off colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 If you want to stay alive, do not undertake, especially on a bike There aren't many scenarios where a driver expects vehicles coming up the inside. HGV's, in particular, have a blind spot.........they turn left, you come up the inside and get crushed. Be a little more patient, wait to pass on the right and your death won't be a burden on someone else for the rest of their life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconBoy Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 tough.......wait your turn like the rest of us have to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 Sorry to hear about your bike! But as a felow biker I can say I would NEVER drive up the inside of a vehicle there is an OLD addage! Right side is pass side! Left side is suicide! The fact it was a crossing is irrelevant. If you HAVE to pass on the inside at any point you should proceed with caution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 op have you heard of the 5 stages of grief? denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. you are at the bargaining stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 I would say depression stage, I think he understands he has made a mistake. But I've had idiots who have opens car doors parked at the side of the road without looking.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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