wymberley Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Well big buisness is one thing but as a small buisness plauged by stupid new rules made by those without a clue and big buisness lobiests I can tell you for sure that we won't do so bad at all Big companies are actively seeking trade and competition control through a corrupt eu Does anyone think the rest of the eu will want to servearly restrict trade with the biggest CUSTOMER in Europe? That is us by the way we buy in far more than we sell into Europe Consider if you buy more than you are paid is it a good idea to continue - on the seller's terms? Now if we exported more than we bought in its different hence Germany with its cars etc. Why do you think they are playing the fear game they and France etc are just a noisy little toy dog barking from fear The big thing here is sovereignty a common market was all well and good but to loose our sovereignty is what all this actually amounts to You think all those in the British based car companies that are owned by other nations will shut? The aerospace industry work and plants we have will shut? NO for one it's us that's buying the cars and you can't take a big supplier out of any chain for many years Aroespace was actually a very big buisness for us in other markets out of Europe before the eu got involved in negotiating our deals for us For the most basic level. Do you carry on buying from a nation that won't buy from you? We can get cheaper lamb from new Zealand than we can France and you know what they produce it best at another time of year and culturally and historically are links are far closer That was our own fault - at least in the defence market-place - and because of the TSR2 debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 The funniest comment so far is from Juncker. He claims that us coming out could start another World War... Irony at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I personally suspect the original referendum to join the European common market was rigged, and the 'mission creep' which has occurred over the intervening years was planned, calculated and delivered via the 'mushroom syndrome' ........I fully expect that..........Even if this country votes to get out...............'by hook or by crook' we will be told the country voted to remain in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 My European colleagues have always said that the long term plan was political and economic union and this was made clear to them. Obviously not to us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I personally suspect the original referendum to join the European common market was rigged, and the 'mission creep' which has occurred over the intervening years was planned, calculated and delivered via the 'mushroom syndrome' ........I fully expect that..........Even if this country votes to get out...............'by hook or by crook' we will be told the country voted to remain in! https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwja4cmi-LDLAhWHhhoKHYemDk0QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.templeofmysteries.com%2Fpriory-of-sion%2Fpierre-plantard-the-grand-master.php&psig=AFQjCNEeQmBaHrLU5M-ijALtZtB59sB2hQ&ust=1457521333865093 https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://quintessentialpublications.com/twyman/wp-content/uploads/vaincre.jpg&imgrefurl=http://quintessentialpublications.com/twyman/?page_id%3D77&h=243&w=300&tbnid=9mXQX7T5jJwfXM:&docid=GyrzHxHe7gMW6M&ei=arHeVlfC_1CIsrKADQ&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwjX3f60-LDLAhXCPxQKHQiZDNA4ZBAzCFkoVTBV From the magazine Vaincre circa 1945. Note the flag and its similarities to the EU flag,translate the french wording. Sounds like a big conspiracy that French and German industrialists,politicians and aristocrats have been planning a European superstate since during WW2 ? The book The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail (1982) touches on the subject as part of a wider conspiracy,and was the source material for The Da Vinci Code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 If Nigel and his cronies could start an effective rumour that following an "in" result we would all have to learn French and the English language would be abandoned in 2020 we wouldn't have to wait until 23 June, we'd all be out tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's not all about the economy, money, jobs..... It's about being enslaved in a group that hate us for having had an empire and will out-vote us on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's not all about the economy, money, jobs..... It's about being enslaved in a group that hate us for having had an empire and will out-vote us on everything. And for wading between two of the founding members twice in the last 100 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Chris' post isn't about facts, it's about getting a reaction by putting material or comments out there that he knows will irk many of the posters on here. Sadly it appears to be his regular type of contribution now. It's a shame that someone should seek to be quite as calculatingly disruptive instead of trying to enter into reasoned discussion, but I guess that is the easy path to take. I have thought once or twice he is trying to fill the void left by KW in being an agent provocateur, but he really doesn't have the wit or style. Exactly; commonly known as 'trolling'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 That was our own fault - at least in the defence market-place - and because of the TSR2 debacle. The yanks now make the harrier it's not my thing but post war we were were it was at then we got common market Sure there were too many old school ties about but it's pitiful we let it get to were it is today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 The funniest comment so far is from Juncker. He claims that us coming out could start another World War... Irony at its best. Unfortunately he might be correct but staying in I think almost certainly will it just depends on time and if it's civil war or country against country Nobody had ever forced integrated nations and cultures without such a thing occurring Borders exist primarily to prevent conflict most wars start when borders are breached. Removing borders is unnecessary to trade and that's what we joined a free trade exchange between nations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's not all about the economy, money, jobs..... It's about being enslaved in a group that hate us for having had an empire and will out-vote us on everything. Really. I thought the french, Prussians, Spanish, Portuguese, Belgium, Holland and the Danes didn't do to bad from the age of empire themselves! But if you say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Really. I thought the french, Prussians, Spanish, Portuguese, Belgium, Holland and the Danes didn't do to bad from the age of empire themselves! But if you say so. Austria, Hungary, Greece, Italy............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 all of this 19,000 views and 888 replies of this thread, will not even ammount to a small hill of beans if people are too lazy to vote...............and the other thing that is happening is the issue is starting to split families................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 all of this 19,000 views and 888 replies of this thread, will not even ammount to a small hill of beans if people are too lazy to vote...............and the other thing that is happening is the issue is starting to split families................ Not going to split my 'family' the 46 ficticious names I have registered at my address for a postal vote are all going to vote the same way as me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Exactly; commonly known as 'trolling'. When have you known me to use 1 word when I could use 150 all of this 19,000 views and 888 replies of this thread, will not even ammount to a small hill of beans if people are too lazy to vote...............and the other thing that is happening is the issue is starting to split families................ I think we will have a turn out well in excess of the average for general elections, but I agree that even the combined might of PW won't even register as one bean, let a lone a small hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 we defo need to get out turkey blackmailing eu over migrants our share of the ( ransom) ? £500 m where will we find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 OUT OUT OUT and take back control, leave Murkel and her followers to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 The same fears about the eu were about during the general election.and ukip were being hailed as the party of the future.nigel was the good guy speaking plain telling it straight.well remember what happened to him and his party at crunch time.and I fear the same will happen at this vote.we will stay in and take whatever punishment Brussels feels fit to put on us for daring to question the eu and their right to total domination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) The same fears about the eu were about during the general election.and ukip were being hailed as the party of the future.nigel was the good guy speaking plain telling it straight.well remember what happened to him and his party at crunch time.and I fear the same will happen at this vote.we will stay in and take whatever punishment Brussels feels fit to put on us for daring to question the eu and their right to total domination. Yes I remember, UKIP polled over 4 million votes and ended up with a single MP, whereas the Jocks got a country full for a similar amount of votes. Edited March 9, 2016 by TIGHTCHOKE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Yes I remember, UKIP polled over 4 million votes and ended up with a single MP, whereas the Jocks got a country full for a similar amount of votes. 56 MP's for 1.5m votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 The same fears about the eu were about during the general election.and ukip were being hailed as the party of the future.nigel was the good guy speaking plain telling it straight.well remember what happened to him and his party at crunch time. That was first-past-the-post, it was different in the EU PR elections. I voted Tory in the General Election, partly because our local MP 'wants our country back', but mainly as an anti Labour-SNP vote. People voted tactically last May, voting 'against' what they didn't want, in June they will vote 'for' what they do want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 That was first-past-the-post, it was different in the EU PR elections. I voted Tory in the General Election, partly because our local MP 'wants our country back', but mainly as an anti Labour-SNP vote. People voted tactically last May, voting 'against' what they didn't want, in June they will vote 'for' what they do want. I admire and envy your optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stalker58 Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 PLEASE GOD.....when I wake on the 24th of June of this year...I hope the British people will have had the courage to have voted to leave the EU! ...I remember my Grandfather, Who fought In the WW1....saying to me when I asked him why he went to war....He said because this Is the greatest country In the world...That was In the late 60s, Before we joined,the Common Market...So for his memory, I am OUT and sooner the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I think I maybe posted this video on PW before, but can't remember. It gives a great visual representation of the changing face of Europe over the last 1000 years and demonstrates a continent that is so far from being at ease with itself. Behind every change in colour there is someone with a political, religious or tyrannical aspiration that they can succeed in bringing unity to the continent where others have previously failed. Through all the kings and queens of massive armies, the succession of Popes and their theologian ideologies and armies, the great empires and the brutal regimes of madmen there is one thing is most abundantly clear, all of the individual entities within continental Europe do not want to be a single entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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