ElvisThePelvis Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 A couple of years ago my garden office was broken into by people with wheels on their house, since then we have alarms and cctv cameras and have reinforced the doors. Last night I was woken up by someone trying to climb one of my side gates ( which is 7 foot high and topped with carpet gripper strips ( on the advice of police), they' didn't make it across and ran off, however I imagine they will come back. I don't want to erect razor wire as it is unsightly and also needs planning, however I am planning to leave coils of razor wire at the bottom on the gate for them to jump into, this also avoids anyone who is going about general business or even just nosey getting hurt I have no issue morally with this whatsoever, these vermin deserve what they get, however where would I stand in the eyes of law, especially in respect of FAC SGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Having published your true intention on a public forum, you might struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveshoots Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 if you are a member of BASC get in touch with them and ask your BASC FEO what to do he will let you know all you need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygreengrass Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Was that the roll of wire you got out of the shed and forgot to out back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 you would be in trouble because its a man trap , its a shame because it might deter a few of the thieving scrotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 What you have appears to have done the job. Only extra that would help is a decent not too friendly dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Whatever happened to that piece of wood with 4" nails sticking right thru it? - make sure you don't leave it upside down just inside your gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Bu Le Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 A couple of years ago my garden office was broken into by people with wheels on their house, since then we have alarms and cctv cameras and have reinforced the doors. Last night I was woken up by someone trying to climb one of my side gates ( which is 7 foot high and topped with carpet gripper strips ( on the advice of police), they' didn't make it across and ran off, however I imagine they will come back. I don't want to erect razor wire as it is unsightly and also needs planning, however I am planning to leave coils of razor wire at the bottom on the gate for them to jump into, this also avoids anyone who is going about general business or even just nosey getting hurt I have no issue morally with this whatsoever, these vermin deserve what they get, however where would I stand in the eyes of law, especially in respect of FAC Elvis, are these wheely housed people permanent or passing through, ****** or 'honest' travellers. If they are transients then you probably won't have much of a problem whatever method you choose. They will be opportunists and having failed at your place once will move on to easier pickings. If permanent ***** types be very careful, they probably won't react to a few pricks from carpet gripper but (goes with the 'job') but cut them to bits with razor wire and they may get very upset and they be very nasty. Not considering the legalities of actually using razor wire, others have already done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 When we were having problems with similar sorts of people climbing over the back fence of my parents house, years ago, the crime prevention officer suggested a heavy duty graphited wheel bearing grease on the top of the fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 As tempting as it may be I would think adding razor wire for someone to jump into would be akin to a man trap, but would dearly love to be wrong! Would it be legal to do so but then erect signage declaring the fact there is razor wire on the other side? A local business has applied in the past that paint which doesn't really set, and clings like badger **** to anything and anyone who touches it and can't be removed from skin or clothes, but he now has a Rottweiller ( and all the obligatory signage of course ) while others simply have the usual CCTV etc. Admittedly there aren't many break ins here during Fair week, but in the following weeks it is often the case, the most recent being the theft of a low loader trailer. They had to remove the tractor unit to do so, which they left behind ( sign written ) so obviously brought their own for the trailer and were in and out ( according to CCTV footage ) within fifteen minutes. Now that's planning! Must admit I like the carpet gripper strips atop fencing; I know how much they hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted August 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Thanks guys, Rush of blood to the head.. Not sure a man trap is a good idea... I think you are right, it's was just opportunists and there are easier pickings. The gripper strips work well, shortly after the climbed the fence before and I installed them I head someone shout ' argh my hands ' and kick the fence. I don't really want to give plod more to do and don't fancy do as you likely reprisals so will leave as it is, as you said the deterrent worked, it's just a shame for those who are an easier opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 You might want to familiarise yourself with the occupiers liability act as I think even the carpet gripper could get you into trouble. Leaving rolls of razor wire below the fence could well see you in court. Visible/audible deterrents are fine, but you can't deliberately set out to injure an intruder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) When i was a kid all brick walls were topped with broken glass embebbed in mortar. Wouldnt think it would be allowed now. But then the law was on the side of the victim rather than the perpertrator. Edited August 6, 2016 by la bala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 A very grey area.even your carpet gripper is illegal. You can have spikes but they must be visible and a sign clearly displayed toward of possible injury if the fence is interfered with.a good security firm will be able to advise you of the very complex aspects of this.but be very carefull thieves are extremely annoying but most are fully aware of the compensation culture we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted August 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 I don't think they could pursue legal action, a plaintiff needs to have an address, 'various private land and public open spaces, just look for spotted horses and fly tipping' probably won't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 I don't think they could pursue legal action, a plaintiff needs to have an address, 'various private land and public open spaces, just look for spotted horses and fly tipping' probably won't do it. "I lost me dag, thought I heard it barking over the fence, jumped up to see and ripped me hands to shreds. Now I can't work at me tarmac business, how am I going to feed the wife an ten kids? Warning signs, I never learnt to read". Seriously, You'd be very much mistaken if you think travellers wouldn't take legal action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisThePelvis Posted August 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 "I lost me dag, thought I heard it barking over the fence, jumped up to see and ripped me hands to shreds. Now I can't work at me tarmac business, how am I going to feed the wife an ten kids? Warning signs, I never learnt to read". Seriously, You'd be very much mistaken if you think travellers wouldn't take legal action. Really, scary, can you shoot days for worrying livestock ( Guinea pigs )? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 "I lost me dag, thought I heard it barking over the fence, jumped up to see and ripped me hands to shreds. Now I can't work at me tarmac business, how am I going to feed the wife an ten kids? Warning signs, I never learnt to read". Seriously, You'd be very much mistaken if you think travellers wouldn't take legal action. Indeed; they're an 'effnic minority' now ( thereby protected from discrimination ) and may want their compo' in cash. After hearing nothing about those who broke into our yard a few years ago and burnt out the mechanism on our wagon trailer trying to break in as they couldn't figure out how the tailgate worked; broke into two other tractor units causing who knows how many pounds worth of damage and only succeeding in moving one of them a few yards before leaving empty handed, the bloke who owns most of the industrial estate and whose tractor units were broken into told us he had asked his insurance company what the hold up was, and was told it wasn't straight forward as those responsible couldn't be identified. He then phoned the police and asked them why couldn't they be identified from the CCTV footage he had supplied, one camera of which was in the cab looking at the driving seat, installed after a previous incident, and was told it couldn't be used as it was against their human rights! True or not I have no idea, but that's what he told us. His insurance paid up long ago but those responsible were never charged. I've seen footage from the one in the wagon cab ( not of the incident obviously ) and it is very clear footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Nothing wrong with storing razor wire in your secure yard pick it up end of day Store overnight in yard can't leave it in the van someone might nick it Honestly it's about time the leagal lot realised some of us have to store this stuff to do jobs Anything wrong with bird spikes wouldn't want them getting bird poop on there hands Anyway best of luck upping your security All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Nothing wrong with storing razor wire in your secure yard pick it up end of day Store overnight in yard can't leave it in the van someone might nick it Honestly it's about time the leagal lot realised some of us have to store this stuff to do jobs Anything wrong with bird spikes wouldn't want them getting bird poop on there hands Anyway best of luck upping your security All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 (edited) Bloke down the road created a free floating 'rockery' type affair, dotted with a few potted bushes to make it look nice. 2 weeks later he called the Police to someone in his garden, he rang 999 and within a few minutes had a couple of cars and a dog, in through the house to find someone in the garden. Poor bloke had jumped the fence and landed on the rockery, and with it being so uneven in the dark broke his ankle and dislocated his other knee. Apparently the Ambulance took a while to get there, due to it being a weekend and all. In the follow up they said the shed theft rate had dropped to virtually nil in the few weeks after. Edited August 6, 2016 by ph5172 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Carpet gripper is really not very good. There are much better are far more study alternatives made of plastic and costing about a quid a metre that will outlast carpet gripper and do a better job. B and q sells it or get it of the net. I've installed it all round my parents house across the entire fence you do not need signs and will not get in trouble for it. It's for keeping cats out however any person using your fence as an access point won't be doin it for very long. As for the razor wire man trap. Very naughty. Some nice rose bushes or similar spike plants will do the same thing and are totally above board and also look better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 We have used 2 varieties of rose for this - a bush rose called Queen Elizabeth and a climber which is better and viscous called Meg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaunda Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Try planting Mauritius Thorn,had it around all the posts in Afica even kept the lions out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted August 6, 2016 Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 I'm wondering what you could coat the carpet gripper in that would make any injuries go very septic....... Sure fox poop has a fair few nasties in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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