EU Question - why was this allowed to happen?

[Vince Green]

On the 1st May 2004 ten new countries were allowed to join the EU en Bloc. Despite there being amazingly little discussion and what objections there were got swept aside. None of the countries even halfway reached the criteria for membership, many were effectively bankrupt post communist dictatorships.

 

That didn't really matter though because they appear not to have been made to go through the formal selection process.

the countries were

 

Czech Republic

Estonia

Hungary

Latvia

Lithuania

Poland

Slovakia

Slovenia

Malta

Cyprus

 

Then on 1st Jan 2007 two more bankrupt ex communist countries were allowed to join. They were

 

Romania

Bulgaria

 

Now the question I have is WHY? There appears to have been some big political conspiracy but who gained? I'm certain all the problems we have in the EU now started when this massive drain on the budget was created.

 

Was it empire building? a desire to rule the world? meglamania?

 

 

Looking back it was absolutely crazy at every conceivable level and it was all slipped through on the nod and I can't see why

 

Tony Blair was our Prime Minister at the time, why would he not have said something?

Edited January 2, 2017 by Vince Green

[wandringstar]

You haven't mentioned Greece being allowed to join, It was unbelievable. Amazing how they were so near the edge of the cliff, yet for them to become grexit was unthinkable, so money was printed, deals were done, but the debts are still there, the media just move on.

 

These crackpot lefties have a reckless mindset, that the end always justifies the means.

[BrowningB525]

You answered your own question.

 

Tony Blair was our Prime Minister at the time, why would he not have said something?

[walshie]

On the 1st May 2004 ten new countries were allowed to join the EU en Bloc. Despite there being amazingly little discussion and what objections there were got swept aside. None of the countries even halfway reached the criteria for membership, many were effectively bankrupt post communist dictatorships.

 

That didn't really matter though because they appear not to have been made to go through the formal selection process.

the countries were

 

Czech Republic

Estonia

Hungary

Latvia

Lithuania

Poland

Slovakia

Slovenia

Malta

Cyprus

 

Then on 1st Jan 2007 two more bankrupt ex communist countries were allowed to join. They were

 

Romania

Bulgaria

 

Now the question I have is WHY? There appears to have been some big political conspiracy but who gained? I'm certain all the problems we have in the EU now started when this massive drain on the budget was created.

 

Was it empire building? a desire to rule the world? meglamania?

 

 

Looking back it was absolutely crazy at every conceivable level and it was all slipped through on the nod and I can't see why

 

Tony Blair was our Prime Minister at the time, why would he not have said something?

 

He just wanted more unquestioning minions for when he was President of the superstate,

[Danger-Mouse]

You answered your own question.

 

 

[grrclark]

The ex Soviet bloc countries were fast tracked membership for political expediency really. Some of the other countries bordering the ex Soviet states for the same thing.

[Dave-G]

Bear with me here because I may have been taken in by all the fake news stories plastered all over social media.

 

Its my understanding that Europe is being made multicultural as a matter of policy whether the public want it or not as part of a new world order that will be controlled by one world government. The plan is that locals will be a very small part of the general population and become a smaller proportion that is patriotic to their country. The whole continent will morph into the United States of Europe if the elite get their way so all of the smaller countries have to be absorbed too.

 

Problem is that us Brits have put a bit of a fly in their ointment and populism is putting things back a bit.

[figgy]

Europe is obviously not the countries I was told they were when I went to school.

 

Only European countries should have ever been allowed entry so long as they met the criteria if not **** off. So glad we're leaving.

[big bad lindz]

Was there not a time in our recent past history when a little man called Adolf tried to do something similar ?? by trying to be the leader (Dictator, King, Emperor, Cesar, or what ever)

of Europe by uniting all the country's under one banner.

I thought we were supposed to learn from history and mistakes.

[KFC]

All money is debt so just having more mugs to shuffle the numbers around then the better.

[UKPoacher]

The EU operates by absorbing small economies, paying them £billions in grants and then getting the money back by selling them EU EU manufacturers goods. When we bought our apartment in Cyprus 15 years ago the locals hadn't a penny between them. They worked in the fields during the day and the restaurants in the evenings. They drove grey import Japanese cars and rented small apartments. All the fruit and veg', wine, spirits, etc in the supermarkets were local to Cyprus and Greece.

 

Then they joined the EU. Overnight VAG, BMW and Mercedes dealerships sprung up and sold thousands of new cars. New buildings appeared everywhere so much so the Land Registery still hasn't caught up. All the fruit and veg in the supermarkets was from Spain, Hungary and Holland and all the local farmers lost their trade. At one time you struggled to find a bottle of French or Spanish wine in local shops. Now you can't find local stuff. Roads were built by EU companies spending EU grants. Now the island is basically bankrupt and cannot get out of recession because it has the Euro and so cannot devalue its currency.

 

In places like Bulgaria and the Czech republic add these factors to the use of their cheap labour by German companies and you begin to understand why these basket cases were allowed in.

 

And that is largely where the £10 billion per year UK subscription goes.

Edited January 3, 2017 by UKPoacher

[TIGHTCHOKE]

The house of cards will fall!

[aldivalloch]

The ex Soviet bloc countries were fast tracked membership for political expediency really. Some of the other countries bordering the ex Soviet states for the same thing.

The ONLY sensible comment so far.....

[four-wheel-drive]

From what I have seen of it the powers that be in this country wanted the EU to grow and take in all of these new countries fare from it being the French and Germans it was the UK that wanted the EU to expand.

 

In other words the people in power had there own agenda and not caring what the people who voted them in think and that is why they are so annoyed that we the people told them that we want out of the EU something that we never voted for in the first place we voted for the common market not the state of Europe that they want.

[Lampwick]

I blame Russia

[yod dropper]

To further the aims of the project.

 

The eurozone was a further example of this. As I recall, Greece and Italy didn't meet the criteria to join, pretty sure France didn't either and I can't imagine Portugal or Spain would have done. Somehow, and think about this, the bankers got the blame when it all went wrong. It continues to go wrong as a result of all this.

Edited January 3, 2017 by yod dropper

[panoma1]

The Eastern European and former USSR countries were allowed to join the EU in order to isolate Russia! So as was said previously it was political expediency!

 

The way to control the masses (and countries) is debt! When you have debt you are compliant, free of debt and you are just that.....free!

[wandringstar]

where dictators used to invade countries, now they just open the floodgates and allow an internal invasion, I believe its all deliberate, with the goal of destroying nationhood, but it only happens in the west.

 

China, japan etc, are countries that wouldn't tolerate it.

[Rewulf]

The ONLY sensible comment so far.....

 

I take it you would rather have stayed in then?

And keep getting duly rogered by the rest of Europe and the EU as they direct millions of migrants towards our shores.

Penalise us with their daft laws,and move the goal posts,whilst funding the EU politicos lavish lifestyles,and bank rolling ridiculous projects with our money.

Corrupt, undemocratic,inept and not fit for the purpose it was intended for-trade ,never mind the dictatorship it would like to be.

 

Grrs remark was on the money,but apart from the odd comment ,so was everyone elses opinions.

[Chris Bb]

 

and bank rolling ridiculous projects with our money.

 

 

For example HS2. The rest of the world's taken to the skies or the internet* but Europe want to proudly boast, at UK's expense, that you can travel by train from very north west Europe to very south east Europe.

 

What next, forcing us to allow horses and carts on motorways? Why not, after all it's how most of eastern Europe travels.

 

Truly the lunatics are running the European asylum.

 

 

* Business meetings more and more these days are tele-conferences with no need for time consuming travel.

[four-wheel-drive]

People talk all of the time about democracy and how good it is but what does that mean we get to vote once every four or five years for an MP who is supposed to represent us yet he/she votes for what they think is rite but what one person thinks is good another will disagree.

 

I am a Labour supporter because I support the NHS free good schools for all and basically we should help the less able to have a decent life but do I agree with all that labour people say I do not and I do think some of them are nuts.

 

Then we get the conservatives they talk a good talk and make us think that they care about the working people while making shore that all of there well off supporters stay on top wile selling of all of the good things that we own to there rich mates and also selling off our council house stock while not replacing them bringing in the spare bedroom tax and telling people to move in to smaller homes that they have not built.

 

The hole thing is a joke and we are just pawns.

[panoma1]

People talk all of the time about democracy and how good it is but what does that mean we get to vote once every four or five years for an MP who is supposed to represent us yet he/she votes for what they think is rite but what one person thinks is good another will disagree.

 

Nope they vote the way the party tells em!

 

I am a Labour supporter because I support the NHS free good schools for all and basically we should help the less able to have a decent life but do I agree with all that labour people say I do not and I do think some of them are nuts.

 

All of em are self serving first and foremost, labour are in reality no different to any other party

 

Then we get the conservatives they talk a good talk and make us think that they care about the working people while making shore that all of there well off supporters stay on top wile selling of all of the good things that we own to there rich mates and also selling off our council house stock while not replacing them bringing in the spare bedroom tax and telling people to move in to smaller homes that they have not built.

 

Currently the best of a bad bunch...almost!

 

The hole thing is a joke and we are just pawns.

Correct, as it always was and as we have always been! Milk cows is more accurate!

[Yellow Bear]

People talk all of the time about democracy and how good it is but what does that mean we get to vote once every four or five years for an MP who is supposed to represent us yet he/she votes for what they think is rite but what one person thinks is good another will disagree.

 

I am a Labour supporter because I support the NHS free good schools for all and basically we should help the less able to have a decent life but do I agree with all that labour people say I do not and I do think some of them are nuts.

 

Then we get the conservatives they talk a good talk and make us think that they care about the working people while making shore that all of there well off supporters stay on top wile selling of all of the good things that we own to there rich mates and also selling off our council house stock while not replacing them bringing in the spare bedroom tax and telling people to move in to smaller homes that they have not built.

 

The hole thing is a joke and we are just pawns.

I do wish people wold stop calling it a tax - It is a stoppage of benefits if recipients of benefit cease to use said rooms as bedrooms for permanent residents. Close to nmy old address was a privately owned 5 bed house rent paid as benefits for parents and six children (no problem with this as farther had become disabled) - ten years on all children have left home and have places of their own, however under the old scheme rent for house with 4 unused bedrooms is still paid as benefit yet tenants refuse to move into bungalow fitted out for diabled man three doors down. I ask you 4WD why we should continue to pay excessive benefits to these people for rooms the no longer need when an adjacent (nearly) property is available and families with children require the larger properties. The couple and some left wing supporters started screaming TAX as soon as the BENEFIT was reduced.

[Vince Green]

I do wish people wold stop calling it a tax - It is a stoppage of benefits if recipients of benefit cease to use said rooms as bedrooms for permanent residents. Close to nmy old address was a privately owned 5 bed house rent paid as benefits for parents and six children (no problem with this as farther had become disabled) - ten years on all children have left home and have places of their own, however under the old scheme rent for house with 4 unused bedrooms is still paid as benefit yet tenants refuse to move into bungalow fitted out for diabled man three doors down. I ask you 4WD why we should continue to pay excessive benefits to these people for rooms the no longer need when an adjacent (nearly) property is available and families with children require the larger properties. The couple and some left wing supporters started screaming TAX as soon as the BENEFIT was reduced.

This is correct, It is something I have seen quite a lot. I grew up next to the South Ruislip council estate built in the 60s. Because they were three bedroom houses all the houses were families with kids. It was great, these were the kids I went to school with, and grew up with.

 

Fast forward twenty years and the kids had all grown up and left so lots of the houses just contained a middle aged couple kicking about in a three bed council house. Fast forward another twenty years and many houses, by then, just contained an elderly widow living on her own. It was a very inefficient use of the resource

Edited January 3, 2017 by Vince Green

[aldivalloch]

 

I take it you would rather have stayed in then?

And keep getting duly rogered by the rest of Europe and the EU as they direct millions of migrants towards our shores.

Penalise us with their daft laws,and move the goal posts,whilst funding the EU politicos lavish lifestyles,and bank rolling ridiculous projects with our money.

Corrupt, undemocratic,inept and not fit for the purpose it was intended for-trade ,never mind the dictatorship it would like to be.

 

Grrs remark was on the money,but apart from the odd comment ,so was everyone elses opinions.

You take it that I would rather have stayed in? From the SIX words I posted?!!??

 

Do you read tea-leaves and make contact with the spirit world in your spare time?

 

All I was doing was expressing my opinion that grrclark's post was the first that made any sense to me. Why? Because he is absolutely right about political expediency.

 

Remember the old adage, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer still."? Well, when states such as those listed by the OP are looking for something to tie themselves to it's probably better to welcome them in than to slam the door and let them go off to the dark side.