spandit Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 A friend*, who I have shot with in the past, texted me today to ask if I'd sign a letter giving a friend of his permission to shoot on my land as he is up for renewal and doesn't have any other permissions. I've never met this friend. He added that the friend wouldn't actually shoot here. I said "no" and he replied "That's a bit harsh, isn't it?" I replied that I'd be lying to the police if I signed such a letter and if he had no permission and wasn't intending to actually shoot on my land, then what did he need a rifle for anyway? Would you give a stranger written permission to shoot on your land? * not sure about that any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 No not at all, it is an unreasonable request from your so called friend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Not unreasonable at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Should not even have asked,,No.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samboy Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Another nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) Totally reasonable of you imo. His friend is trying to circumvent the whole system, if hes that desperate to hold onto a ticket he would have been better would look at the club route or at least considered this when he lost his permission. Edited June 25, 2017 by Zetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) There's good reason on a Fac for a good reason!!!! Not unreasonabl at all If you're a selfish type you could say what's in it for me ? Obviously you can't lie to the firearms licence authorities So Unless you give him permission he hasn't got it If you give him permission he can then keep his firearms and shoot on your ground you've just given him permission to do it in writing Sorry answer is still no Hope this helps All the best Of Your friend * could give permission for his land and signe the form Edited June 25, 2017 by Old farrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 My friend doesn't have his own land and I'm not sure whether he has written permission anywhere else (he did have it on mine but if I rescind that then he's stuffed too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acier Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Should not even have asked,,No.. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 You did right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 My friend doesn't have his own land and I'm not sure whether he has written permission anywhere else (he did have it on mine but if I rescind that then he's stuffed too) Rescind, it will teach him some manners! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 No,and not a friend either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simjakcal Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 No not at all...bit of a cheek to even ask ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 (edited) So your mate and this bloke are as bad as each other and trying to drag you into the mix.It is obvious that your mate is trying to assist his friend obtain a renewal grant with FALSE permission slips.I'd be notifying my FEO,these are the sort the sport needs to get shot of! Edited June 25, 2017 by Davyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 I was asked the same question recently and the guy even offered to pay a good sum too . The answer was No too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 I've located the letter I sent to his FEO confirming his permission. I shall muse on it a few days before I do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 Out of order and pushing his friendship. I will not sign anyone's permission slips and I will not mentor either. Once you sign then your giving him permission to shoot your land and possibly lose you the permission as you can't stop him as he has you over a barrle for lying to an officer and they will take your ticket. I will not mentor as if anything goes wrong with them in the duration of their FAC then you have to answer to it. I'm sorry but I'm no longer prepared to take the risks after all the time, work and funds I have put into obtaining what I have. A freinds shouldn't even consider asking, not the done thing g in my book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 If it's a deer caliber he has good reason to be able go on paid stalks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 Your friend is asking you to commit fraud. The person who "needs" your support should not be getting a licence and you have to ask yourself if your "friend" should retain his own licence. If you had gone along with this and something had gone wrong, you may well have lost your own licence. You need to lose a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) There are differing aspects to all of this. Where will it proceed to? His mate and his mate and his mate. In theory you could have dozens of people with written permission to shoot on your land. Would you find random people shooting and zeroing up on your land? When you ask them who they are, are they going to inform you that they've got written permission from the owner whoever that is. And what are you doing there? Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a chat with the bloke that you do know and inform him about the fact that this other bloke doesn't have good reason to hold. If he hasn't got ground and wouldn't use yours, what does he want a FAC for? It's about the same thing as a domestic householder having a bulldozer parked up on the garage drive. I suppose that it depends on why this other bloke lost his ground. Nothing is black and white. It could be that he has been **** on and just needs a peg to hang his hat on in the short term. Have a chat about it. Edited June 27, 2017 by fortune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 why dose he need a rifle if he hasent got ground to shoot on why dont he sign his rifle over to his mate untill he can find some new ground which by the way isnt easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted June 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 It's a .22 that he has, I think. Not had one reply saying I am being unreasonable so think I've made the right choice. What do the police do in these circumstances? Issue a permit (Section 7?) or a deadline to get a permission? I suppose you could sign the rifle over to an RFD for storage until a time comes where you regain a good reason for ownership? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshMike Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Not unreasonable at all mate, you did the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 If he has asked for someone to validate a false application, I don't believe he should be within a mile of any certificate at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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