spandit Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 As sorry as I feel for the parents of Charlie Gard, keeping him alive is not only prolonging his miserable existence but also taking resources from others who stand a better chance of actually having a life. They've appparently raised £1.3 million for treatment - surely there are more worthy causes? At some point they're going to have to come to terms with the fact that he'll never lead a full life and as tragic as it is that the hospital won't let them take him home to die, he needs to die. I know this may be straying into advocating eugenics but with the NHS seemingly in a never ending funding crisis, to be blunt this is pouring good money after bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Two sides to every story and we will never know all the facts, but surely it shouldn't have gone on so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 hello, not forgeting court cost, worst nightmare of any parent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 As sorry as I feel for the parents of Charlie Gard, keeping him alive is not only prolonging his miserable existence but also taking resources from others who stand a better chance of actually having a life. They've appparently raised £1.3 million for treatment - surely there are more worthy causes? At some point they're going to have to come to terms with the fact that he'll never lead a full life and as tragic as it is that the hospital won't let them take him home to die, he needs to die. I know this may be straying into advocating eugenics but with the NHS seemingly in a never ending funding crisis, to be blunt this is pouring good money after bad. The money was raised to pay for treatment in the U.S. after G.O.S.H. had said there was no hope, but before the court, high court and european court had ruled that treatment was not appropriate. The parents have said that, should the money not be spent on Charlie it would go to a charity that is researching into his particular disease. Nobody wins in this sort of situation. The longer it goes on, the worse it will be for his parents when the inevitable happens. It's horrible to say, but I think it's time for the poor child's suffering to end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 As hard as it sounds I'm in agreement, the poor lads machines should have been turned off a while ago. I thought that they were being switched off with the parents concent last Friday. What was the further delay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 I think the Pope is involved now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted July 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 I'd imagine the only people who will benefit from this are the lawyers. I hope the money does go to a charity that can provide real help to others in need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Some interesting information; http://www.gosh.nhs.uk/frequently-asked-questions-about-charlie-gard-court-case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 I think they're a bit selfish, they're keeping the child alive for their own reasons not because it is in his own best interests. I have no doubt he will have been very well cared for by the NHS nurses and doctors at least. They really do shine in situations like this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobt Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 I think the Pope is involved now! that will make all the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 As long as there is the slightest glimer of hope I doubt any parent would agree to their child's life being ended.i can imagine no situation harder than this one.the little lad should be allowed to pass with all the dignity possible.and should be allowed to pass in the surroundings of his loving home not some bland room in hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 I've been watching this case with interest, and while I can fully understand the parents reluctance to let their child go, it is in everyone's best interest ( the child included ) that he be allowed to die. The parents of course aren't seeing it from this point of view at the moment, and understandably so, but in time they will learn to live with it and realise that given his circumstances, letting him die is the kindest thing they could have done. In time they'll realise he would have had no quality of life at all, and that after their days who would be there to to care for him as they would have done? His brothers or sisters? What a burden to bequeath someone. An awful awful situation to be in, but in time they'll realise. Let him die in hospital, where staff will make it as comfortable as possible for him; but whether in hospital or home I'm afraid there isn't much dignity involved. They have my utmost sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollieollie Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 A truly terrible situation, being a parent myself I can understand the parents feelings but it is time to say good bye. The anguish they are feeling must be all consuming, my heart goes out to them. Brings a tear to my eye, bless him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) I think that the only honest opinion anyone can be true to would be the decision they make as they look at their child whilst holding the switch in their hands - there can be no right or wrong decisions other than those made by the people closest to him and money is an ugly cloak that should not be worn in such circumstances. Edited July 5, 2017 by bruno22rf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 I have two young kids and can't imagine what this poor family have gone through but from what I have seen if it was me in this awful situation I would have said goodbye a while ago. Thing that finalised it for me was the child in America with the same condition he is in full time specialist wheelchair, can hardly communicate in any sense,and has tubes all over the place he is alive but that is hardly a life anyone would want to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellbert Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Lets hope non of us are ever in the parents place . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Trump and the Pope now. And a bunch of God squad in the USA who are prolonging this terrible families agony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Lets hope non of us are ever in the parents place . + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Lets hope non of us are ever in the parents place . My parents were put in a similar position when I was in my 20's after a bad accident and the doctors told them I had a very slim chance of survival, they were recommended to let them turn the machine off as I had previously died (couldn't breathe on my own and heart stopped) quite a few times during surgery and it wasn't looking promising not sure how but I'm still here today. My parents said it was the hardest decision they ever had to make but it was the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 A very difficult situation for all concerned. I wouldn't want to be the person that has the job of switching off the support system but that happens every day somewhere in varying situations. The parents have gotten wound up to a pitch where sense and reason have gone right out the window. If they have other children how is this affecting them? Even if the little boy was shipped home and an endless supply of money provided and he was kept alive in some degree how would that ever work? It is a mental situation similar to where a man's daughter was killed in the Lockerbie air disaster. His whole existance became a quest to find out who and what were the reasons and causes. It wrecked his life and distroyed the family. And for what good? It would be a better thing to accept that things don't always go according to plan and move on and find a better future. We had a full term baby who did not survive and it was not a great experience at the time but when the inevitable happens you ain't got any choice. God doesn't entertain court appeals or tribunals. Take the good times and plan a better future for all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fse10 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 The thing is i keep hearing the word's "COULD be in pain " & feel if it was me even a glimmer of hope i would have to try. As we have seen before other parents have been told sorry there's no hope & then they have taken their child for treatment in another country & they have been cured. As in the case not so long a go when some parents took the child out of the country & had arrest warrants issued for them but the treatment worked. The other thing is with the time that has passed he could of been to the US & the parents would know ever way, as i say a slim chance is still a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 The thing is i keep hearing the word's "COULD be in pain " & feel if it was me even a glimmer of hope i would have to try. As we have seen before other parents have been told sorry there's no hope & then they have taken their child for treatment in another country & they have been cured. As in the case not so long a go when some parents took the child out of the country & had arrest warrants issued for them but the treatment worked. The other thing is with the time that has passed he could of been to the US & the parents would know ever way, as i say a slim chance is still a chance. Every single doctor involved AND the Doctors in the USA have stated clearly that he has suffered irreversible brain damage to a severe extent. They want to give him a treatment that could keep him alive, just so he can spend his entire life hooked up to a bunch of machines to keep him alive. It's bloody cruel and inhuman, and it's not being done in the child's best interests, but for the parents. I imagine they're not thinking straight due to the grief of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Every single doctor involved AND the Doctors in the USA have stated clearly that he has suffered irreversible brain damage to a severe extent. They want to give him a treatment that could keep him alive, just so he can spend his entire life hooked up to a bunch of machines to keep him alive. It's bloody cruel and inhuman, and it's not being done in the child's best interests, but for the parents. I imagine they're not thinking straight due to the grief of it all. Exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 The said on the news tonight that they are thinking about letting him have the treatment now though I feel sorry for the kids parents I have to say that I think they are selfish nasty people the pore little kid is blind brain damaged what is the point in keeping him alive we get the same with people wanting to die but have to be kept alive just to keep some do gooders think that it is wrong to not die a horrible death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 The said on the news tonight that they are thinking about letting him have the treatment now though I feel sorry for the kids parents I have to say that I think they are selfish nasty people the pore little kid is blind brain damaged what is the point in keeping him alive we get the same with people wanting to die but have to be kept alive just to keep some do gooders think that it is wrong to not die a horrible death. id hardly call them selfish and nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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