Permission in writing?

[catchthepigeonmutley]

Right chaps -

 

Off to a family bbq at the weekend - all well and good, but I usually get bored at such events after a few hours (after we've eaten) and go off for a bit of can shooting in the barn with the air rifle. It's at a farmhouse and the place is surrounded by some great shooting land.

 

I have asked my wife's cousin several times if she could give me the contact details of the land owner - from whom they rent the house - so I can get permission to shoot on the odd occasion when we visit (a couple of times a year), but she has just said that ''it will be ok, he won't mind'' and he has apparently said family can shoot there. While it is tempting to just accept this, I don't want to shoot without something in writing and then find that it is NOT all right for some reason.

 

Sound reasonable?

 

Thanks in advance...

 

 

[crazycooker]

Get it in writing if not if they can deny it and then you are armed trespass and in a world pain

[steve d]

Get it in writing if not if they can deny it and then you are armed trespass and in a world pain

 

^^^

This, not worth the risk

[ips]

Get it in writing if not if they can deny it and then you are armed trespass and in a world pain

This

[Guest]

Indeed, I've had people being good eggs before saying his sort of thing. You must get explicit consent to be sure you're on the right side of the law, it isn't worth the risk.

Edited September 13, 2017 by Guest

[motty]

I have permission over several farms. I have no written permission on any of it.

[welshwarrior]

No written permission for me either but I trust the owners

[vampire]

I have written permission on all my permissions,with all their details on and what where when i can/can't shoot,details about if i have to call first or free to go when i like etc.

Its, for me the only way to avoid confusion and if police were called (as they were last week,only it was owner out and not me) i have access instantly to my permission to be where i am.

To assume on the word of another is very risky,your risk,speak to them direct or dont go.

[Cranfield]

You should approach the farmer yourself, I would not shoot on land without the direct permission of the farmer/farm manager.

Some of the farms I shoot issue written permission slips (in exchange for personal details (name/address/phone numbers/vehicle reg, etc).

Most of them don't and I have never asked for written permission, nor have I ever had any problems.

[McSpredder]

I have permission over several farms. I have no written permission on any of it.

 

No written permission for me either but I trust the owners

… but presumably motty and welshwarrior have personally been granted verbal permission from the owner, whereas the OP seems to have no contact at all with the landowner, just an assurance from a tenant that “it will be OK”.

[rec-baller]

I WILL not shoot on any land without written permission,

[scotslad]

Personally I wouldn't insist on written permission but I would insist on speaking to the farmer himself.

 

I also know the local area so have a pretty good idea which farms already have shoots on them, sometimes a farmer may not be in a position to give u permission anyway (and not all farmers even realise it)

I was caught out as a young boy ferreting on ground with permission of farmer but he didn't realise his ground had a keeper, it turned out ok and I ended up as his under keeper

But some farmers don't realise about sporting rights and how others shooters value there 'permissions'

 

It will also depend on wot ur shooting air gun, shotgun or rifle (land might need cleared)

[Savhmr]

I always carry written permission with me in case I am challenged. The local FEO says that whilst you don't really need a copy of your cert with you at all times (just proof of ID) it's wise to carry written permission. I think that's one of the answers to be given in the DSC1 exam too from memory (ie that written permission should be carried with you).

[mossy835]

been shooting for many years, and never had it in writing.

[psycho]

The farmer signs my shotgun and FAC that's good enough for me...

As for other land verbal from the farmer or landowner..not someone saying it will be OK..

[welshwarrior]

Agree I'd speak to the farmer. Some of the larger areas I've never met the owner only there man but he carries the authority to grant permission

[hawkfanz]

i,m like afew others,no written perm,,but one of them ive been on for 45 years,so dont it written down.

[spandit]

I text the landowner before going shooting on their land. They often reply and I'd use this in my defence if challenged (assuming they don't reply "No"). Funnily enough the only place I actually had written permission is one place I don't shoot any more

[scotslad]

While written permission doesn't bother me usually, but possibly if it was a tenanted/rented farm or I was in a strange area I might ask for written permission, just because I don't know the of any politics involved so it sort of covers ur a##e even if the farmer shouldn't really have gave u permission

[srspower]

I would never ask a farmer for 'written permission' because it sounds like you are trying to pass some sort of responsibility on to them. I would expect if i made such a request they would not be happy i had asked at all.

 

Besides if you have the phone number of the person why would you need something in writing?

Edited September 16, 2017 by srspower

[Hendrix's rifle]

I would never ask a farmer for 'written permission' because it sounds like you are trying to pass some sort of responsibility on to them. I would expect if i made such a request they would not be happy i had asked at all.

 

Besides if you have the phone number of the person why would you need something in writing?

For renewal helps! I always try to get written permission, not only can I show it to the police if they get called but I can refer back to it as I usually get the farmers to draw a perimeter on an OS map. Helps me out a lot! There's one farm I down have written permission for, it borders on another permission and I've been told if I see fox shoot them.

[Savhmr]

For renewals here, we need to have a land permission form signed by the land owner stating that permission has been granted for calibre and for species to be shot, at least for our primary permission. We won't get a renewal without one.

[marsh man]

On some of the farms I go on I used to get a map and a letter from the farm to tell me where all the peas are going in , as some years they would rent land I never knew they had , whereas now having been on the same land for a minimum of 20 odd years and one large area where I do most of my pigeon shooting I have been going for nigh on 50 years , I more or less know where all there land is .

 

If the land have got a game keeper , then he is one of the main people to get on with , tell him , and the farmer / farm manager or the estate manager when you change your motor and let them know the reg as I have had people ring the estate to say there is a motor parked in the hedge in the middle of nowhere .

 

As for getting written permission , no I don't and with going sometimes 3 or 4 times a week I don't have to keep informing the owners / agents when I go , I am not saying this is the right way of doing things but I have never had any problems and I don't want any new land , so I will carry on as I am.

[arjimlad]

It's one thing getting a look in the eye and a handshake off the landowner himself, quite another when a third party says "off you go, Fred told me it'd be alright".

[Savhmr]

What it boils down to is the trust that exists between yourselves and the landowner. Should something occur which the police have to follow up, and the landowner suddenly decides to forget that verbal permission was ever given, that could be construed as armed tresspass, so getting signed permission is always advisable, even if you decide not to carry it with you at all times.