panoma1 Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) I read a Met Armed police officer has accidentally discharged his weapon shooting himself in the foot!....hardly inspires confidence in the professionalism of police firearms units, when you consider pro rata how many reported civilian gun owner accidental discharges and self inflicted injuries occurr as compared to those of the police? Edited September 21, 2017 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 got a link? and any stats on firearms officers and civilian owners accidental discharges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 This little piggy.......................and this little piggy went agh,agh, agh all the way to A&E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Personally I think that that armed response units, should recruit from the armed forces, taking people who have done their full term of service, cuts down on weapon training and hopefully this kind of incident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Here's a link; https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4514343/police-officer-shot-on-a-call-out-to-a-home-in-west-london/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Personally I think that that armed response units, should recruit from the armed forces, taking people who have done their full term of service, cuts down on weapon training and hopefully this kind of incident. Many years ago I was the last airman to be relieved from 24 hour guard duty at Khormaksar - the army taking over. While handing in my weapon/ammo, a shot rang out. Now previously the army lads were on mobile guard in Land Rovers with their new fancy SLRs whereas we're stuck in a guard post with our LEs. Within half an hour boredom had set in and matey started to fiddle and as a result put a ropund through a 50,000 gallon flexible bulk fuel tank. It's not the service, but the individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Probably just wanted some time off on sick pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) got a link? and any stats on firearms officers and civilian owners accidental discharges? Can't do links but it was in today's Independent......and I've edited my post to include "reported" I have no stats but my point was, how many hundred armed police officers are there in the UK? As compared with the tens of thousands of civilian gun owners? And we all to often read reports of police "mistakes" with guns. Edited September 21, 2017 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Says in report it was after completing the call out. Do they not make the firearm safe? Unload and make sure chamber is empty.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Many years ago I was the last airman to be relieved from 24 hour guard duty at Khormaksar - the army taking over. While handing in my weapon/ammo, a shot rang out. Now previously the army lads were on mobile guard in Land Rovers with their new fancy SLRs whereas we're stuck in a guard post with our LEs. Within half an hour boredom had set in and matey started to fiddle and as a result put a ropund through a 50,000 gallon flexible bulk fuel tank. IT'S NOT THE SERVICE ITS THE INDIVIDUAL.This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipdog Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) Can't do links but it was in today's Independent......and I've edited my post to include "reported" I have no stats but my point was, how many hundred armed police officers are there in the UK? As compared with the tens of thousands of civilian gun owners? And we all to often read reports of police "mistakes" with guns. Maybe it is just because they are more widely publicised. I for one know of a man who put his gun in its slip and then put it on his car roof. Put his cartridges in the boot and forgot about the gun, got in his car and drove off!! The police found it in a ditch about 2 weeks later and 4 miles down the road. It was never mentioned in the any of the local papers. Had that been a copper it would of been all over the national press. Edited September 21, 2017 by zipdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Regardless of numbers and training there are some people who should never be allowed near firearms, including some so called trained firearms officers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 My friend is a recovery driver and recovered a smashed up police vehicle a few years back, he got it on the lorry and then asked the police if they wanted to retrieve the automatic weapon they had left loaded on the back seat before he drove away........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthedark Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 My friend is a recovery driver and recovered a smashed up police vehicle a few years back, he got it on the lorry and then asked the police if they wanted to retrieve the automatic weapon they had left loaded on the back seat before he drove away........ This is fudge, cops don't have automatic weapons and how would he know it was loaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iano Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Back in the bad old days, when there was a border in NI, there were regular checks of cars going North / South. One of the colleges in Dublin, had a student rifle club and they were on a trip to a competition in Comber. Got through the border ok, made it to the match and had a good time. On the way home, they were stopped again at the border. Got through fine. The soldiers wanted to check serial numbers against permits so they went through the collection. When unloading the car back in college, they found an 'extra' gun in the boot. About 30 minutes later, an NI car with some squaddies turned up, asking for their rifle back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 how would he know it was loaded The question is on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I guess if a magazine was fitted that would be a good indication! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Maybe it is just because they are more widely publicised. I for one know of a man who put his gun in its slip and then put it on his car roof. Put his cartridges in the boot and forgot about the gun, got in his car and drove off!! The police found it in a ditch about 2 weeks later and 4 miles down the road. It was never mentioned in the any of the local papers. Had that been a copper it would of been all over the national press. But these are supposed to be highly trained specialist firearms police who are authorised to carry and use firearms professionally! In order to protect the public........accidents and mistakes should not happen......and when they do, such incidents are rightly bought to the attention of the general public......as it brings into question the suitability of the individual and the competence of those employed to use firearms to protect us!.........on the other hand, the odd civilian sporting gun owner/user having an accident and/or making a mistake is pretty much inevitable....and of little importance to anyone except the perpetrator and/or those directly affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 If true, i recall an incident where a passerby handed in a H&K MP5 which armed officers had left on the roof of their vehicle while driving off, and also a Royal bodyguard discharging his Glock and a female officer leaving her sidearm in a public lavatory. All the above were documented at the time, and there are more, whereas the incident where a mate of mine put two rounds of .270 through the wing of his own Range Rover went unreported. There is even an incident of a US Marshall discharging his self loader six times in a public lavatory! Being human can be fatal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I guess if a magazine was fitted that would be a good indication! No expert on automatic weapons but does the gun not need cocking to load a round into the chamber, thus making the gun loaded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted September 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) No expert on automatic weapons but does the gun not need cocking to load a round into the chamber, thus making the gun loaded?Good question........A gun is loaded when there is a cartridge in the chamber..... but is a gun loaded when there are cartridges in the magazine but not in the chamber? I reckon it is! Surely a gun is only unloaded when there are no cartridges in either the chamber or the magazine....so if there are cartridges in the magazine it is loaded? Edited September 21, 2017 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I guess if a magazine was fitted that would be a good indication! No expert on automatic weapons but does the gun not need cocking to load a round into the chamber, thus making the gun loaded? The Weapon is loaded when a magazine is fitted with rounds in the magazine. No point in putting an empty magazine on a Police weapon and if it had been used and emptied a new full magazine would be fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 The Weapon is loaded when a magazine is fitted with rounds in the magazine. No point in putting an empty magazine on a Police weapon and if it had been used and emptied a new full magazine would be fitted. Exactly. I would sincerely hope that when a firearms officer is on "active duty" attending an incident where he may be called upon to discharge his firearm, he would have a round in the chamber. Not to do so would make the whole purpose of him being there futile. We are all human and I'm afraid humans have accidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) Personally I think that that armed response units, should recruit from the armed forces, taking people who have done their full term of service, cuts down on weapon training and hopefully this kind of incident. Because squaddies never have NDs? Says in report it was after completing the call out. Do they not make the firearm safe? Unload and make sure chamber is empty.. Nope, it goes back in the safe as is. Add it to the list of **** ups by armed officers, which probably hardly registers on the scale compared to the amount of times they load/unload and get deployed. Comparing it to civilian gun owners is a ridiculous comparison, there are probably licence holders that shoot a few times every 5 years, compared to officers loading and unloading multiple guns every time they are at work. Edited September 21, 2017 by Muddy Funker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Nope, it goes back in the safe as is. So always live. Didn't know this and not sure id say its a safe practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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