Walker570 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 It seems more likely than ever that Poland will be the next EU member to leave. They are now under threat from the EU itself because they are objecting to being oppressed by the EU. I think they are suddenly realising that .."from the frying pan to the fire"... appears to be the situation, from one oppressive communist state into another oppressive communist state. The Poles are proud people and I do not believe they are going to be pushed around by a bunch of unelected leeches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 This is wide ranging but on one specific issue I heard one the ruling party MPs defending the appointment of the judiciary against EU objection but he used exactly the same argument that the EU uses in the appointment of its own commissioners. That is, the people elect their representatives who appoint whom they wish and therefore it's democratic. What's good for the goose and all that, except obviously it's not. Hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, yod dropper said: This is wide ranging but on one specific issue I heard one the ruling party MPs defending the appointment of the judiciary against EU objection but he used exactly the same argument that the EU uses in the appointment of its own commissioners. That is, the people elect their representatives who appoint whom they wish and therefore it's democratic. What's good for the goose and all that, except obviously it's not. Hypocrites. BUT ...the people didn't elect those making the decisions in Brussels, even one of their own Tusk got a shoe in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I think we're seeing the start of the end of the EU, the further we are from it when it sinks the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoozer Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I love the way there calling it Polexit. Doubt there's enough Poles left to sustain the economy if they did leave, Although i do know of a work around for that issue but let's not go there ay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Do we understand what their process is to officially withdraw, and what needs to happen for it to be triggered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 17 minutes ago, Walker570 said: BUT ...the people didn't elect those making the decisions in Brussels, even one of their own Tusk got a shoe in. Absolutely. Some consider this to be democracy but I don't think it's generally thought so in the British mould though, I certainly don't and it was one of my three main reasons for voting to leave. I'm not sure if Poland will be next to leave, there are other contenders. Longer term, I could see geographical and cultural blocks going their own way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I think once we are officially out, a fair few countries will follow suit. We're the guinea pig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, walshie said: I think once we are officially out, a fair few countries will follow suit. We're the guinea pig. Yes agreed. It's also why they're petrified of us leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakk Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Yeah Italy,s had more than enough and Poland gets its income from Britain so we go they gotta follow that gravy train ,otherwise 3 million young people are going home to no jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendrix's rifle Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, clakk said: Yeah Italy,s had more than enough and Poland gets its income from Britain so we go they gotta follow that gravy train ,otherwise 3 million young people are going home to no jobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Italy's certainly not happy either as demonstrated in this article, Mark my words, the EU will fall https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/baldy-christmas-tree-is-no-joke-for-angry-rome-residents-11178413 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 The EU is up to its old tricks again, Barnier has stated no transition deal will go beyond December 2019, trying to ruin the UK economy, we should just walk taking our 40 odd billion pounds with us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Who cares about a trade deal. We leave the indevidual countries want to sell products here we make a deal with that country not Europe as a whole. Its a free market get the cuffs off and let’s get on with it. I hope lots of the biggest countries leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Everyone is so worried about these EU countries not wanting to play ball once we leave. Can you imagine Germany saying "No we won't sell those schweinhunds any of our Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Porsche etc etc. That'll certainly teach them a lesson. We'll sell them to Greece instead." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 39 minutes ago, figgy said: Who cares about a trade deal. We leave the indevidual countries want to sell products here we make a deal with that country not Europe as a whole. Its a free market get the cuffs off and let’s get on with it. I hope lots of the biggest countries leave it. Spot on, why we're wasting time tallin to the EU I don't know. 24 minutes ago, walshie said: Everyone is so worried about these EU countries not wanting to play ball once we leave. Can you imagine Germany saying "No we won't sell those schweinhunds any of our Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Porsche etc etc. That'll certainly teach them a lesson. We'll sell them to Greece instead." Very good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 And how many Billions wil Poland give the EU when they leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 The UK will pay through the nose to leave the EU......subsequent member states leaving will just walk.......the old story the people of the UK will have been royally shafted again?...........What's the odds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, figgy said: Its a free market get the cuffs off and let’s get on with it. WE may end up a free market - I certainly hope so; the EU is very far from a free market If we leave without a 'deal', the EU will only let the EU industries (e.g. the German car makers) sell to us under WTO rules - which would put duty on the trade. Who receives the duty paid is unclear to me - but I can see eyes in the EU lighting up like a cash register. They are near broke - would be broke without about 4 countries who carry virtually ALL of the costs. NO nation in the EU can make their own free trade deals; That is the one of the biggest reasons for us to get out Edited December 20, 2017 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, countryman said: And how many Billions wil Poland give the EU when they leave. hello, i heard on one of the brexit discussions that we buy more goods from EU countries than they buy from us ? so will they not want to continue trading after we leave the EU, anyway is it not a small number compared to the rest of the world that we can trade with, as for countrymans comment i do not think the poles will want to pay any money Edited December 21, 2017 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i heard on one of the brexit discussions that we buy more goods from EU countries than they buy from us ? so will they not want to continue trading after we leave the EU, anyway is it not a small number compared to the rest of the world that we can trade with, We buy 70 billion pounds more from the EU than they do from us and we pay approximately 250 million per week for the privilege. It's nuts, member states would put huge pressure on the EU to trade with us we're like a giant walking customer if they won't trade with us itll be their loss we'll take our custom elsewhere. Edited December 20, 2017 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 1 hour ago, walshie said: Everyone is so worried about these EU countries not wanting to play ball once we leave. Can you imagine Germany saying "No we won't sell those schweinhunds any of our Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Porsche etc etc. That'll certainly teach them a lesson. We'll sell them to Greece instead." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 But the problem is that 70 million of trade is shared around all the EU countries, whereas any trade we sell to the EU the whole cost (if any has to be bourne solely by us) or we have to find other markets on our own. I'm sure the german high end car market will not be happy but as a country wide % it will be far smaller so easier to overcome (if it comes to that) I do think the EU is a busted flush and I'm sure other countries will be having doubts, but was there not also stories in the past about 'frexit', a dutch exit (can't remember their nickname for it) I wouldn't read too much into it. On a serious note it would/will be very interesting to find out wot the score is with a polish 'divorce' settlement.. I imagine If Poland is a net receiver of EU funds compared to the UK as a net contributer, my logic would say they should be given any money they've already been promised which just seems bonkers (as does the whole divorce settlement thing altogether) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Monster Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 No chance. Poland will not go out. Maybe will be kicked out some day but will not do it itself by referendum or other way. Situation is similar to UK. Lots of people fed up with EU but also lots of people taking advantage from EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Can't see it happening, but hope it does. It'll strengthen our hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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