chrisp Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Ive seen a gun localy ,A very nice looking winchester grand european ,the only problem i can see is it is choked skeet + skeet The gun would be used for game (nothing too high or too challenging) and the odd day on sporting clays I realy like the gun and they dont come up very often local and at this price and i can see me keeping it long term So my question is would the gun be suitable with those chokes ? perhaps if i found the right cartridge Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) I use cylinder and 3/8s (beretta light modified) in my game gun so no reason why you cannot shoot game with it. Indeed make sure you use a load that is quick enough to have enough terminal energy when you hit your quarry (as the pattern will be wider) and know your limitations when selecting which birds to leave and which to take. Other than that, if it’s gun you enjoy owning and can shoot with, there is no reason why it cannot be a very successful game gun. IMHO oh and BTW those early Wnchesters were as a sweet as..... I had a 101 and loved it! Edited August 6, 2018 by The Burpster Forgot a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex gardener Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 A bit of pattern testing would show what is happening at differing ranges, and you could always have it fitted with multi chokes by the likes of teague? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 For the past 50 years I have shot game with 1/4 & 1/4 chokes, and have never felt the gun was under choked. As previously said - pattern the gun, you might be presently surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 32g of 6's will give you a great pattern, and you'll be surprised how much stuff you fold up stone dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 23 minutes ago, browning123 said: For the past 50 years I have shot game with 1/4 & 1/4 chokes, and have never felt the gun was under choked. As previously said - pattern the gun, you might be presently surprised. this^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Open chokes are to be preferred when shooting game. I once saw a pheasant shot close up with full choke.......................smashed it to bits.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted August 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Thanks thats what i wanted to hear ! 50 yard pheasants are beyond my capabilities any way !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 40 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: 32g of 6's will give you a great pattern, and you'll be surprised how much stuff you fold up stone dead. ....and this. A friend of mine has an old battered 101 choked skeet and skeet; he uses it throughout the game season and has done so for as long as I've known him. He doesn't shoot anything he can't eat, and not much gets away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Smokersmith said: 32g of 6's will give you a great pattern, and you'll be surprised how much stuff you fold up stone dead. Yep, plus many - if not all - of the other posts. However, even if your particul;ar barrels don't quite perform as anticipated in the quoted or those other posts, it's odds on that the reason is the lack of patten density and not lack of energy, so dropping down to the good old 6&1/2 shot (2.5mm in funny money) will correct that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 My ancient Army and Navy hammer gun is devoid of any degree of choke. It is my gun of choice for walked up game and pigeon decoying and I never shoot anything heavier than 28g. Not only does that load do the job for me but I am always happy to take birds I have shot myself knowing they will not be destroyed and inedible through being overshot with tight chokes and heavy loads. Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungle The Bear Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 I have shot cylinder and cylinder for 40 years through my SxS - driven, walked up, duck flighting, pigeon shooting all to great effect. Just go and shoot with it, try and forget all about choke. I find it incredible the amount of people who get hung up on the choke issue. You may have to experiment with cartridges to find the one that your gun likes - mines likes Eley VIPs 28g 6 Fibres. in short absolutely nothing to worry about going skeet and skeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) I often shoot Improved and quarter ....... because that is what my gun has - and I don't (in normal 'farm' shoot circumstances) want for choke. I am quite happy with open chokes, but my shooting is at very 'normal' ranges. Tight chokes are not needed at these ranges. Edited August 6, 2018 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp Posted August 6, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Thats great just what i wanted to hear ,ive spoken to the seller all seems well Ive got the serial number can anyone help me date the gun ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robertt Posted August 6, 2018 Report Share Posted August 6, 2018 Shot for years with a S x S choked Cyl & IC using nowt but 28g 7's. Worked very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shalfordninja33 Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Improved and Quarter for me too, although I'm considering changing to Cylinder and Improved for next season, I used 30gm 7's or 6's last year, Essex Pheasants aren't the mosting testing and I like to give myself as much chance as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, shalfordninja33 said: Improved and Quarter for me too, although I'm considering changing to Cylinder and Improved for next season, I used 30gm 7's or 6's last year, Essex Pheasants aren't the mosting testing and I like to give myself as much chance as possible. If you're all at 6s and 7s, try 6&1/2s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, wymberley said: If you're all at 6s and 7s, try 6&1/2s. i seem to remember there was a 6 & 1/2 cartridge in the 1970/80s ???? Edited August 7, 2018 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: i seem to remember there was a 6 & 1/2 cartridge in the 1970/80s ???? They're still out there, but many are described as 7s. You may well be thinking of the Rottweil range and in particular the Game 32 or the Specials. If I was the age now as I was back then I'd still be using them but I'm afraid now I need something lighter in the 6 lb + a tad gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haynes Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Think eley do a pigeon load in 6.5 and hull soverign do a 6.5 cart think its a dtl cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, haynes said: Think eley do a pigeon load in 6.5 and hull soverign do a 6.5 cart think its a dtl cart. They certainly did. Still, apparently that's progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 I regularly shoot with percussion guns and hammer guns with no choke and with good quality loads/cartridges kill at sensible ranges no problem. My daughter shoots a silver pigeon with cylinder in both and also kills no problem. I would not be put off if you like the gun and it fits. Pattern test it with different cartridges and see what gives best result. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 2 hours ago, wymberley said: They're still out there, but many are described as 7s. You may well be thinking of the Rottweil range and in particular the Game 32 or the Specials. If I was the age now as I was back then I'd still be using them but I'm afraid now I need something lighter in the 6 lb + a tad gun. hello, i am sure it was Sellier and Bellot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Dont worry about choke , if the gun fits and you like it just shoot the thing . Its the man behind the gun who hits the target . That said as with all guns find a cartridge that suit you and the gun and stick with it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: i seem to remember there was a 6 & 1/2 cartridge in the 1970/80s ???? Westley Richards game load were 6 1/2 shot size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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