Salopian Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Not wishing to detract from the General Licence debacle . Is it not time we , the country people held a peaceful march or rally to highlight the unnecessary persecution our sport has to endure from the like of Packham et al ? A silent march that disrupted filming of Spring Watch or Countryfile would cause a tremendous financial loss and disruption . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Salopian said: Not wishing to detract from the General Licence debacle . Is it not time we , the country people held a peaceful march or rally to highlight the unnecessary persecution our sport has to endure from the like of Packham et al ? A silent march that disrupted filming of Spring Watch or Countryfile would cause a tremendous financial loss and disruption . No better to boycott all such programmes and for estates to deny access to BBC for all programmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 woudnt help were to peaceful like the last march about the fox ban nobody noticed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 It would be a very good idea if someone could persuade the BBC to put out a programme about the destructive effects of corvids and pigeons (and badgers) in a rational and balanced way. I know that such a person would be hard to find, though I do wonder what David Attenborough thinks or would think about Packham's unbalanced and questionably motivated crusade. Anyone got a line to him or someone who knows him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Nice boy polite well behaved protests from decent law abiding citizens have a pattern of being overlooked or dismissed as right wing activistism (sp). Sadly the only protests that get reported on or responded to are the those causing mayhem - we all know that various leftist riots got special rights for some people that don't apply to the indigenous population of this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 well said coudnt put it better my self Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 As I said elsewhere the French would have covered the HQ of NE in slurry by now. We are far too British at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 just took some fotos on my fone out back,remains of what appears to be blackbird chick,2 legs 2 wings,n a bit of inner,would i be able to post these pics on pacmans twitter site? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, hawkfanz said: just took some fotos on my fone out back,remains of what appears to be blackbird chick,2 legs 2 wings,n a bit of inner,would i be able to post these pics on pacmans twitter site? You could if you wanted, but I doubt he would be impressed. What you have photographed is simply evidence of nature at work; that’s what happens in the wild on a daily basis and is entirely natural. To infer that it happened due to the fact the GL as was, has been revoked, wont really convince anyone. It’s just the realities of living in the wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 he wont care, would all theses be put up had he not gone for the ban of the licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, hawkfanz said: just took some fotos on my fone out back,remains of what appears to be blackbird chick,2 legs 2 wings,n a bit of inner,would i be able to post these pics on pacmans twitter site? Why? you presumably have no proof as to what did this, as Scully says, just nature being red in tooth and claw. As for trying to get empathy from him, maybe a waste of your time? A clever, vexatious little chap is he, finding a real blunder, using it to further his own agenda legally separating himself from repercussions while allowing others to fund his dream puts him apart from most? He hasn't finished yet either, will make an ideal replacement for Dave on the BBC to push their agenda to the unknowing and uncaring? Poor Dave seems to have gone off piste lately, more anthromorphism in every programme? Edited April 29, 2019 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 you have to remember we are a minority if you stood in the high street and asked a passer to sighn a petition for shooting i doubt if you would get many i went down to see the in laws last weekend they live in a country town and tole them i do pigeon shooting right a way the old bottom lip comes up muttering cruel so thats me in the dog house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 hour ago, dodgy dave said: you have to remember we are a minority if you stood in the high street and asked a passer to sighn a petition for shooting i doubt if you would get many i went down to see the in laws last weekend they live in a country town and tole them i do pigeon shooting right a way the old bottom lip comes up muttering cruel so thats me in the dog house hello, next time quote how much damage pigeons do to crops and if this is not done farmers loose out and prices for wheat/barley/rape seed/ will only go up, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 yes mate but as you know there not interested in that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Ruler Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 A good time to use gas bangers etc to scare pigeons and crows would be when Packham is trying to film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumbrian Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Scully said: You could if you wanted, but I doubt he would be impressed. What you have photographed is simply evidence of nature at work; that’s what happens in the wild on a daily basis and is entirely natural. To infer that it happened due to the fact the GL as was, has been revoked, wont really convince anyone. It’s just the realities of living in the wild. That's true, but the point surely is that Packham's intervention increases protection for corvids, which hardly need it, and therefore increases their numbers over time and also the number of smaller birds that get killed by them. I do not wish to see the numbers of blackbirds etc go into decline. 40 years ago magpies in Hampshire were quite a rarity; nowadays they are two a penny, which puts their song bird prey under much more of a threat, even if much of the increase in magpie numbers can be ascribed to the vastly increased amount of road kill at their disposal. Magpies are a particular problem, more so than jays which, so far as I can see and hear, at least locally, have not increased so much in number. We also get carrion crows (apart from two that I managed to shoot, with difficulty with horses and several houses nearby) and I have seen them raid a blackbird's nest too. I suspect that a long, long time ago the larger hawks kept both crows and magpies under control, but the commonest ones now i.e. kestrels and buzzards, for different reasons, don't seem to do the same job. The balance of nature has been upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 10 hours ago, Cumbrian said: It would be a very good idea if someone could persuade the BBC to put out a programme about the destructive effects of corvids and pigeons (and badgers) in a rational and balanced way. I know that such a person would be hard to find, though I do wonder what David Attenborough thinks or would think about Packham's unbalanced and questionably motivated crusade. Anyone got a line to him or someone who knows him? They said on the radio today that Cumbria wildlife trust ( i think?) are concerned about hedgehog numbers as sightings are down by a third, no surprise that there is always a dead badger on the A590, I've seen at least 3 lately so badger numbers are high whilst hogs are not, wonder why that is? BBC wouldn't be interested, although a couple of the farming shows that were on BBC 2 were quite good. No one considers the damage pigeon can do to a crop or the damage magpies do to nesting songbirds. Just thought about songbird survival website? Wonder if they have said anything?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 https://www.songbird-survival.org.uk/news/sbs-trustee-letter-published-in-the-scottish-farmer nothing direct about the changes that I. Can find but this hits the nail on the head. Love to know what packham thinks about it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 thats a good one kev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacko3275 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) There an article in the daily star today saying cat owners need to lock there cats away as they kill 30 million birds a year and that they should be licensed and another article saying packham ain’t losing no sleep and is more determined now after receiving all the hate mail so disrupting his work will make him worse Edited April 30, 2019 by Jacko3275 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jacko3275 said: There an article in the daily star today saying cat owners need to lock there cats away as they kill 30 million birds a year and that they should be licensed Thats down on the 55m quoted other places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Mr arrogance was on good morning tv this morning trying to justify why his new organisation did what it did and playing the sympathy card with the "I've targeted" whinge . I do not in any way condone the threats against him & his family weather true real or not ! All real country /shooting folk who were affected by his escaped have right to be annoyed but we all know that none of us would carry out the claimed threats and actions that have or have not been carried out against him . I.M.H.O they will have been carried out by nutters and activists who are not connected to "the shooting community" in any way and have just jumped on the band wagon to cause problems .... On the other hand he sat complaining that millions of birds have been murdered in an illegal way ..... says the man who has been filmed braking the law by releasing grey squirrels back into the wild ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver fox 1 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Bear with me on this one, okay the way I see it is that Wild justice ( Chris Packham ) are the cause of the problem to the GL but not the root problem NE are the root of the problem because of the wording on the GL wild justice have just exploited it. So can we rely on NE to sort this mess out maybe not but think of it this way if they mess up again they will be more loopholes in the GL which probably means back to court for wild justice so my question is how long do you think wild justice can keep funding legal action it cost 30,000+ this time.More of which natural England seem to do naturally please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 13 minutes ago, silver fox 1 said: Bear with me on this one, okay the way I see it is that Wild justice ( Chris Packham ) are the cause of the problem to the GL but not the root problem NE are the root of the problem because of the wording on the GL wild justice have just exploited it. So can we rely on NE to sort this mess out maybe not but think of it this way if they mess up again they will be more loopholes in the GL which probably means back to court for wild justice so my question is how long do you think wild justice can keep funding legal action it cost 30,000+ this time.More of which natural England seem to do naturally please As long as they can get money via Crowd funding!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver fox 1 Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Yes I agree but it all takes time and money. They would have to wait for funds to be in place before they could challenge anything, maybe our shooting organisations could get some promotional videos together to help put a point across show The things Crows do to lambs pigeons do to crops at least people will be able to see the damage they do and some might think twice about sending money to wild justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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