JohnfromUK Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scully said: Saying that, I can't recall ever being challenged by a copper as to what I'm doing, let alone a NE representative. The police have better things to do, and NE are quite few and far between, and again the vast majority would have better things to do. The NE people I know wouldn't be worried (there is an NE site adjacent to some of my land). But if they are continually harried by Wild Justice LACS etc. for 'doing nothing' whilst people abuse the system, the story may be different. Like (legal) hunting - the police don't want to get involved, but the LACS etc. cause public order issues so that they have to get involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 The MAGIC layer doesn't seem to be available yet, but i suspect this will be a nasty surprise as a lot of sheep farms are within SPA's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Now things are beginning to be heading in the right direction ,we should calm down and wait till what lies ahead with the new G Ls on Monday and then hopefully we can get some normality back in our lives . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelhall Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 22 hours ago, Eyefor said: ..probably "Wee Jimmy" has promised them a vote in her next devolution referendum? No heading south to that great sanctuary called England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Temporary Sanctuary - HOPEFULLY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psycho Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) there is a flow chart which can be seen here that should help you determine IF you need the licence https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/797975/natural-england-general-licence-position-statement.pdf The first of the new General licences has been issued https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/carrion-crows-licence-to-kill-or-take-them-gl26 This only covers the shooting of carrion crows for protection of livestock if no alternative means of control exists. Edited April 27, 2019 by psycho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) Your first quote is a loop back to your post and so is your second quote. Edited April 27, 2019 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 17 hours ago, old'un said: One of the biggest stumbling blocks I can see is stubble shooting, we can perhaps justify shooting birds during the winter on rape and during the summer on seed crops, but the time of year when most shooters kill some of the biggest numbers are on the stubbles, I cannot see how they will write this into the new licences, if they do manage to include stubble shooting in the new licence I think WJ will be on it like a shot, asking, how do we justify killing birds when they are doing no damage. I am hoping they will justify it like before. BASC's stance was that shooting birds on stubble in summer will prevent the land being predated by those birds when it is replanted in the autumn. In essence, preemptive control. Everyone in the shooting world knows that we should take the opportunity to control pests when they are presented. Dead pigeons/crows can't breed or cause damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 the daily mail has giving us a good write up.. again two pages this time about the damage crows do to lambs and wild chicks different reporter this time sue read any other papers giving us good write ups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 My colleague at work showed me the daily Mail article earlier, good to see some balanced reporting for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Your first quote is a loop back to your post and so is your second quote. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/797975/natural-england-general-licence-position-statement.pdf https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/carrion-crows-licence-to-kill-or-take-them-gl26 Edited April 27, 2019 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 13 hours ago, gotgcoalman said: So can we assume the farmer that calls to "sort" his problem has dressed as a scarecrow and fired non leathal shots first. Or Is the onus on us to borrow clothes and sit on the chair first. I'll have to re read this first installment. I don't understand the scaring "thing". All that is doing is pushing the problem elsewhere. For example, what is the point of scaring carrions away from one field of lambs, only for them to peck the eyes out of some others down the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: My colleague at work showed me the daily Mail article earlier, good to see some balanced reporting for a change. are other papers are on our side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, motty said: I don't understand the scaring "thing". All that is doing is pushing the problem elsewhere. For example, what is the point of scaring carrions away from one field of lambs, only for them to peck the eyes out of some others down the road? Exactly that, it's a never ending circles of dome to some lambs, shoot a crow save song birds and lambs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shufti Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 Near the exclusion section of the crow licence, SSSIs etc (hows that going to work?) it states birds cannot be sold! Hope this does not apply to pigeons for some of you lads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, motty said: I am hoping they will justify it like before. BASC's stance was that shooting birds on stubble in summer will prevent the land being predated by those birds when it is replanted in the autumn. In essence, preemptive control. Everyone in the shooting world knows that we should take the opportunity to control pests when they are presented. Dead pigeons/crows can't breed or cause damage. Exactly. As I understand it the court action started by WJ related simply to NE's failure to ensure that any necessary checks to confirm that all other non lethal controls had been tried and had failed prior to shooting taking place. If that is right, then once this is corrected, then any other amendment to the licences that WJ would like will require further court action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, motty said: I don't understand the scaring "thing". All that is doing is pushing the problem elsewhere. For example, what is the point of scaring carrions away from one field of lambs, only for them to peck the eyes out of some others down the road? And section 8 and table 1, before with the old licence we did not keep records/proof but I think will have to play by the book on this one, which will not be easy for some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 i cant even shoot a pigeon to feed my ferrets now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 3 hours ago, mossy835 said: i can see all this is going to be a pain in the butt.i have one farmer that grows peas all over the place, how can that be covered with the new licence. Can't see your problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 i am hoping we will carry on as before but with a few amendments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 The sad thing nowadays is that operating within the ‘spirit of the law’ cannot be used because of the legal eagles on the lookout for loopholes. This applies to all areas of law and should be regretted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davetyler Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 If we have gas guns out and scarers out and we shoot pigeons on that field it shows that you are trting to scare them. 18 minutes ago, motty said: I don't understand the scaring "thing". All that is doing is pushing the problem elsewhere. For example, what is the point of scaring carrions away from one field of lambs, only for them to peck the eyes out of some others down the road? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Good shot? said: The sad thing nowadays is that operating within the ‘spirit of the law’ cannot be used because of the legal eagles on the lookout for loopholes. This applies to all areas of law and should be regretted. dead right no one wants upset the apple cart.. i think thats why ne held back as long as they did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Davetyler said: If we have gas guns out and scarers out and we shoot pigeons on that field it shows that you are trting to scare them. Yes, but to what end? Scaring does not work! I used to shoot pigeons on a 6000 acre farm with a full time pest controller. He would drive around all day scaring away thousands of pigeons - firing shots, putting out multiple gas guns etc etc. He would push the birds all around, but they were still there. When he finished his day's work, the pigeons settled en masse to feed. What did he achieve? As a side note, the decoying on that farm was mostly a waste of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 I rather hope a single instance of deterent that has shown itself to not work is acceptable for all time - rather than having to satisfy that criteria every time one goes out to cull. I can't imaging why crop protection is only being sorted out after fauna? This rather sounds like someone who doesn't know what is needed being in charge of procedures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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