oowee Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, pinfireman said: Just because May says we are leaving the EU does NOT mean we are leaving the EU! It,s just more bovine scatorum! Leaving means getting out............COMPLETELY! This is true. Parliament would have to vote for Mays proposal for the deal to be enacted and our departure to happen. Alternatively maybe there is some other deal? Suggestion now given the opposition to no deal Brexit that we might get some sort of consensus deal which would probably leave us even closer to the EU. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, oowee said: This is true. Parliament would have to vote for Mays proposal for the deal to be enacted and our departure to happen. Alternatively maybe there is some other deal? Suggestion now given the opposition to no deal Brexit that we might get some sort of consensus deal which would probably leave us even closer to the EU. Who knows. Have you been smoking something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, motty said: Have you been smoking something? Laura Kuenssberg view of options. 4) Given that the balance in Parliament is definitely for a softer Brexit with closer ties to the EU, (arguably) the defeat on Tuesday might lead to a less dramatic break with the EU than the deal on the table promises. One member of the cabinet tonight told me: "The longer this goes on, the softer Brexit gets." Before you scream, I know that is not a view that is shared universally. But it is sincerely held by plenty of people around the place who point rather frustratedly to the irony. As another member of cabinet said: "The hardline Brexiteers will push us toward a softer Brexit by digging in their resistance." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, oowee said: Laura Kuenssberg view of options. 4) Given that the balance in Parliament is definitely for a softer Brexit with closer ties to the EU, (arguably) the defeat on Tuesday might lead to a less dramatic break with the EU than the deal on the table promises. One member of the cabinet tonight told me: "The longer this goes on, the softer Brexit gets." Before you scream, I know that is not a view that is shared universally. But it is sincerely held by plenty of people around the place who point rather frustratedly to the irony. As another member of cabinet said: "The hardline Brexiteers will push us toward a softer Brexit by digging in their resistance." Ahh the bias bbc view is this? Or the lets scare them into voting in the ****ty deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, ShootingEgg said: Ahh the bias bbc view is this? Or the lets scare them into voting in the ****ty deal? We don't want to hear from anyone with a considered view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, oowee said: We don't want to hear from anyone with a considered view. I've got good news for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 For those who can remember the remain camp campaign truths about the economic shocks, were these based on us being out of the EU like most countries in the world or partly in the EU like a handful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, Zapp said: I've got good news for you 😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 About 1 hour to go to the vote, and likely a massive vote against! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Dekers said: About 1 hour to go to the vote, and likely a massive vote against! Nope - I predict mass abstentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dekers said: About 1 hour to go to the vote, and likely a massive vote against! I was trying to imagine what it must be like for May with such a defeat in site. Dare we hope it's voted down and the EU gives a bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 I hope it's voted down and the EU continues to give nothing. Roll on No Deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Anyone taking bets on the size of the defeat? I'm going for a 120 defeat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, oowee said: I was trying to imagine what it must be like for May with such a defeat in site. Dare we hope it's voted down and the EU gives a bit? I was wondering earlier what she must be thinking. I admire her fortitude in many respects, especially in her stated response that the result of the referendum should be honoured. Lots of arguments of semantics whether her deal does that, but at least so far she has not caved in to offer her deal or another referendum. I still think she is bloody hopeless however and a dreadful leader. 1 minute ago, chrisjpainter said: Anyone taking bets on the size of the defeat? I'm going for a 120 defeat... The ammendments make it interesting, but if it passes on through unmodified to the final vote then i reckon 168 against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
besty57 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, hambone said: I hope it's voted down and the EU continues to give nothing. Roll on No Deal. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, oowee said: Take another look at the ballot paper. The options were "LEAVE" or "Remain"...whatever the wording....and this garbage tonight keeps firmly in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, besty57 said: +1 +2. I'm hoping against hope of a no deal brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Georges Soros holds joint Hungarian and United States citizenship. Gina Miller is a British Citizen (having been born in British Guyana) Some sources suggest she also has Guyanese citizenship. So she was NOT born here!So no real affection, or affiliation to the UK. Just a nice place to make money! 1 hour ago, oowee said: Laura Kuenssberg view of options. 4) Given that the balance in Parliament is definitely for a softer Brexit with closer ties to the EU, (arguably) the defeat on Tuesday might lead to a less dramatic break with the EU than the deal on the table promises. One member of the cabinet tonight told me: "The longer this goes on, the softer Brexit gets." Before you scream, I know that is not a view that is shared universally. But it is sincerely held by plenty of people around the place who point rather frustratedly to the irony. As another member of cabinet said: "The hardline Brexiteers will push us toward a softer Brexit by digging in their resistance." Ah....Laura K....a major BBC REmoaner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, grrclark said: I was wondering earlier what she must be thinking. I admire her fortitude in many respects, especially in her stated response that the result of the referendum should be honoured. Lots of arguments of semantics whether her deal does that, but at least so far she has not caved in to offer her deal or another referendum. I still think she is bloody hopeless however and a dreadful leader. The ammendments make it interesting, but if it passes on through unmodified to the final vote then i reckon 168 against. Nearer 150 I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said: Nearer 150 I think - 120 - 150 - 168 Anyone else any takers? Anyone think the Government's got a better chance than a snowball's chance in hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Only about an hour and a half and we will have lots more to discuss. On 10/01/2019 at 09:54, blackbird said: Only another 78 days & the NHS will have 350 million a week extra, remember that one 😂 In fact we will have close to 39 billion remaining here in the UK and not being spent on the likes of Lord Kinnocks pension, transferring all EU business from one parliament building to another. Hopefully, and having seen the pathetic performance of the people elected to run this country ...remember someone voted for them... someone will have the necessary skills to see that 39 billion used for good purposes and the NHS comes top of the list .....we might be able to visit sick relatives and not get ripped off with car parking fees then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr D Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said: - 120 - 150 - 168 Anyone else any takers? Anyone think the Government's got a better chance than a snowball's chance in hell? 78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: On that basis good news then ! Divorce bill wasnt mentioned, so no need to pay that. NI border/backstop wasnt mentioned , so no issues there then. Transition wasnt discussed , so were definitely out on WTO terms on the 29 th March then ? 22 minutes ago, Scully said: +2. I'm hoping against hope of a no deal brexit. +3 So am I but most of the unwashed masses appear to want to be opressed forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said: - 120 - 150 - 168 Anyone else any takers? Anyone think the Government's got a better chance than a snowball's chance in hell? 156 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 15, 2019 Report Share Posted January 15, 2019 Nigel Farage on Politics Live BBC2 NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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