Bazooka Joe Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, bluesj said: Think some may be getting their p45 in the morning! Talk now about May going, & the 14 abstainers keeping their job, you couldn't make it up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Never a truer word spoken! She (Onasanya) always said she wanted to be the first black Prime Minister. With a certified qualification in "perverting the course of justice" she is off to a flying start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: She (Onasanya) always said she wanted to be the first black Prime Minister. With a certified qualification in "perverting the course of justice" she is off to a flying start. There's some bunch in the labour party at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 we could do with Schalke and Bayern managers taking over brexit, they know how to crash out of Europe without any fuss. 57 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: Talk now about May going, & the 14 abstainers keeping their job, you couldn't make it up.. How can they abstain on something like this?? It's as bad as Onasanya being allowed to vote from prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 hours ago, pinfireman said: Strange! All my recent trips throughout the western states have brought me into contact with many of his supporters, who point out that since he became President, the economy has boomed! Who was it who said, "It,s the economy, stupud?" Strange indeed I suspect some here in MI are telling porkies. The economy here needs to boom a lot more based on some of the districts I drove around today. Oh and we think our pot-holes are bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Drive round a different district. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 A referendum with the result effectively ignored, meaningful votes that have solved nothing, removal (although unbinding) of the only bargaining position we have, soon to be a vote for some sort of extension, rapidly approaching European elections, what a ******* mess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: what a ******* mess! Which is what Soros and his cronies wanted to make lots of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Which is what Soros and his cronies wanted to make lots of money. Exactly what Putin wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 I think the other 27 should have a vote and kick us out. They must be as sick of all this as we all are by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, mick miller said: kick us out. Good sense: My devious mind comes around to what we could do to get 'expelled' - and so avoid paying the £39 billion? The mind boggles; expel an immigrant? strike a trade deal with Tonga? Arrest a Spanish fisherman for fishing in our waters? Give Jean Claude Juncker a bottle of alcohol free wine for his help? Give Guy Verhofstat a voucher for a haircut? Send Macron or Donald Tusk an invitation to lessons in good manners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 anyone remember who Geena Millar is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just now, ditchman said: anyone remember who Geena Millar is ? We don't mention her name here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/237487 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncher Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 48 minutes ago, ditchman said: anyone remember who Geena Millar is ? She is on the radio this morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 45 minutes ago, ditchman said: anyone remember who Geena Millar is ? Perhaps Ms Miller feels strongly enough about the no deal vote , to take it to the high court and mount a legal challenge ? Joking apart, there one thing has come about with this. It has clarified who stands where in regard to the very idea of leaving the EU, and respecting the countries decision to do so. Virtually the whole of labour, either want the ref result kicking into the long grass, or a 'deal' where we are virtually the same as before, BRINO. The cons broadly respect the vote, and feel that even if they personally disagree with it , the majority decided to leave. I know socialism and democracy dont really go hand in hand, but seriously ? The labour party is going to suffer for these foolish ploys. Anyway, without a legal mechanism being enacted, and remaining unchallenged, the default legal position still remains, that we leave on March 29 th WITH NO DEAL. If the house rejects an extension today, which I believe they might, then thats that, without a massive swing to Mays deal. If they do vote for an extension, AND the EU agrees, its likely to be so short that it falls before the EU parliament elections, we will still be in the same position then. Just because the house voted to remove no deal, does not mean that no deal is off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Yes there will be a lot of MPs hopefully overlooked when the next General Election comes around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 I've heard very little in the mainstream media about Farage's new party. Are they being hidden so people don't know about them, or have they not actually said / done much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Local elections are in May, sharpen those knives . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Virtually the whole of labour, either want the ref result kicking into the long grass, or a 'deal' where we are virtually the same as before, BRINO. The cons broadly respect the vote, and feel that even if they personally disagree with it , the majority decided to leave. I know socialism and democracy dont really go hand in hand, but seriously ? The labour party is going to suffer for these foolish ploys. The Labour party have a number of things to consider; The 'old traditional' Labour voter will always vote Labour, and though he/she dislikes Corbyn and his colleagues and policies - they vote Labour, not Corbyn - because Labour supports 'the workers' whoever they are these days. Corby is a natural 'opposer'. He has always opposed his own party (actually on almost everything of consequence) before he was leader. He is programmed to 'oppose' because to support is to support 'the establishment' Most 'new generation' Corbyn supporters are young and tend to be remainers (not quite sure why, but I think that is the case. Not sure why they support Corbyn either actually). They want to unseat May/the government by any means to bring in their Marxist/socialist state. Those who pull the strings say vote against, so Corbyn puts on a 3 line whip - despite that fact that he always defied/ignored the whip when he was a back bencher. The Cons - on the other hand have a few drivers that are different; The Grieve/Soubery group are plain selfish - taking no notice of anyone and doing their own thing Many other Tories have a conflict ...... since their constituency voted 'leave', but May's deal is a 'dubious leave' and not the leave many constituents wanted, and broadly businesses (who they will be listening to) are likely to be either 'remain' or 'soft Brexit'. Tories have a much lower of 'always been a Tory, always will vote Tory' than Labour have. Many Tory seats the second runner in elections has been LibDem. There are many Tory seats where Labour are not the 'runner up'. That gives voters a clearer 'leave/remain' choice at a general election. 5 minutes ago, sandspider said: have they not actually said / done much? Farage was interviewed in Brussels (where he is at the EU Parliament) and didn't mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, sandspider said: I've heard very little in the mainstream media about Farage's new party. Are they being hidden so people don't know about them, or have they not actually said / done much? They have no purpose if we get a no deal Brexit. They are waiting. 4 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: The 'old traditional' Labour voter will always vote Labour, and though he/she dislikes Corbyn and his colleagues and policies - they vote Labour, not Corbyn - because Labour supports 'the workers' whoever they are these days Is this the old traditional voters who we are told will be dead soon by remainers ? 5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Corby is a natural 'opposer'. He has always opposed his own party (actually on almost everything of consequence) before he was leader. He is programmed to 'oppose' because to support is to support 'the establishment' Very true, and one of the biggest establishments is the EU , his politics are at odds with his partys. By extension , him and his party , is a mess. 7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: They want to unseat May/the government by any means to bring in their Marxist/socialist state. Who actually wants to see this, I reckon most of the labour party couldnt stomach it, never mind the voters? 9 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: The Cons - on the other hand have a few drivers that are different; The Grieve/Soubery group are plain selfish - taking no notice of anyone and doing their own thing Many other Tories have a conflict ...... since their constituency voted 'leave', but May's deal is a 'dubious leave' and not the leave many constituents wanted, and broadly businesses (who they will be listening to) are likely to be either 'remain' or 'soft Brexit'. Tories have a much lower of 'always been a Tory, always will vote Tory' than Labour have. Many Tory seats the second runner in elections has been LibDem. There are many Tory seats where Labour are not the 'runner up'. That gives voters a clearer 'leave/remain' choice at a general election. Despite their issues, and now theyre rid of Soubry, at least the cons have a modicum of order, even the ERG could be bought onside for the greater good if necessary. It might be me being biased, but the tories come out of this far better than labour in my opinion, the rest , like the SNP, libdems ect, have agendas that serve themselves, not heir country or constituents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Just turned up, so people say there's no money but a tory flier with my name on it, how much do these cost to send out? Along with a postal vote form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: The Cons - on the other hand have a few drivers that are different; The Grieve/Soubery group are plain selfish - taking no notice of anyone and doing their own thing Many other Tories have a conflict ...... since their constituency voted 'leave', but May's deal is a 'dubious leave' and not the leave many constituents wanted, and broadly businesses (who they will be listening to) are likely to be either 'remain' or 'soft Brexit'. Tories have a much lower of 'always been a Tory, always will vote Tory' than Labour have. Many Tory seats the second runner in elections has been LibDem. There are many Tory seats where Labour are not the 'runner up'. That gives voters a clearer 'leave/remain' choice at a general election. Some Tories have a conflict since their constituency voted to stay and MP is pushing his own (JRM) bizarre far right agenda. The distant runner up here is Lib Dem. Edited March 14, 2019 by oowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, sandspider said: I've heard very little in the mainstream media about Farage's new party. Are they being hidden so people don't know about them, or have they not actually said / done much? if he forms now...it would be pointless..there is nothing he can do...........he is waiting for a snap election...........the trouble with Farage is the muppets he chooses to stand in the constituancys.......... if this goes breasts (scania wheel nuts up)..........it will be the night of the long knives come the election......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Is this the old traditional voters who we are told will be dead soon by remainers ? Actually not always so ....... because the real traditional old Labour voter follows his father and grandfather ..... and will expect his children to follow him. 13 minutes ago, Rewulf said: most of the labour party couldnt stomach it, never mind the voters? Most of the Parliamentary party doesn't want it and have tried to replace Corbyn before, but he is not (mainly) elected by them. The wider party is heavily infiltrated by Momentum/hard left groups who bully the actual working Labour voter/local party people and oust them if they don't tow the Momentum line 15 minutes ago, Rewulf said: tories come out of this far better than labour in my opinion Being in Government is difficult; people expect you to do what you promised, get things right, do things well, and not make mistakes. In opposition, these matter little if at all. In government - there are loads of issues you can't afford to 'get right' as you have to act within budget (not a Labour strength anyway) and have a huge slow cumbersome civil service opposing any changes as well as the formal opposition. You also get jusdged by what you achieve - which is inevitably slow, and will have mistakes and compromises. None of thes eapply in opposition - which is a 'doddle' by comparison. It is also much easier to 'attack' policies than defend them. Also Tory MPs are (at least most are) people experience in business or the law in some way. Quite a number of Labour members are either Union officials or 'never worked' status (like Corbyn). Few have held reasonably senior positions in an organisation (though some have been lawyers). 5 minutes ago, oowee said: Some Tories have a conflict since their constituency voted to stay and MP is pushing his own (JRM) bizarre far right agenda. The runner up here is Lib Dem. I cannot see JRM being deselected/turfed out at the next election - whereas I can see Soubery, Grieve, Bowles being out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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