B725 Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 In July I will be going on a simulated game day have have been told to take 500 cartridges and a couple of boxes of ibuprofen I think. I've never shot at clays seriously just a bit of fun so use my normal 32g pigeon/game cartridges, so I'm not sure what to buy they have to be fibre wad and be able to use whatever is left on the pigeons or crow's so they don't get wasted. 500 shots in one day is some going so they must also be soft on the shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Buy five hundred 21 or 24 gram loads and a pair of thin leather gloves! Shooting a standard game load on these days will wreck the experience! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 I wasn't going to use 32g just wondering if any brand was better suited for the day . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 All the light loads are very similar in my view you just don’t need anything punchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Use 21g ... Eley Select Fibres do a great job and your shoulder won’t look like steak the next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 24grm Cheddite are a very good cartridge too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishy735 Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Scully said: 24grm Cheddite are a very good cartridge too. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 With 32 gram your shoulder no matter how good your gunfit will look like it's all colours of the rainbow. Take 21 gram or 24 gram (28 gram if you really must) or maximum English 7.5 shot. English 8 may be better. Also use earplugs with earmuffs over the top as hearing damage is cumulative. Gloves are a good idea or a leather handguard if using a side by side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: With 32 gram your shoulder no matter how good your gunfit will look like it's all colours of the rainbow. Take 21 gram or 24 gram (28 gram if you really must) or maximum English 7.5 shot. English 8 may be better. Also use earplugs with earmuffs over the top as hearing damage is cumulative. Gloves are a good idea or a leather handguard if using a side by side. Really do you think game shooters don’t fire 500 plus in a day wear the appropriate clothes and a good fitting gun and you should be fine If you’re unsure about the fit or you haven’t got a good gun mount go for the light loads all these days are different ask at the venue if they are going to put on extreme clays or easy stuff that’s not going to need a bigger shot load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) Quote Really do you think game shooters don’t fire 500 plus in a day I know they don't. And I've shot enough driven game days of over two hundred shot over thirty plus years of this pastime to know so. I certainly didn't use five hundred cartridges and neither did anybody else. Even on double gunned day you'd not shoot five hundred cartridges. Walsingham's record grouse bag was of over one thousand birds for just one and a half thousand cartridges. Most shoots will average three cartridges to each bird shot. Some shoots that ration might be 4:1. On a three hundred bird day that's about a thousand cartridges to one thousand twelve hundred. A team of eight guns? 1200/8 = 150. 500 plus a day fired? Daft! https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ii99CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&lpg=PT29&dq=record+grouse+bag&source=bl&ots=-E5RkXXhGp&sig=ACfU3U3DeTNo9WqOqcbG2WalrbVOhgrPhA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjftqm76IjoAhXMbMAKHVM7C28Q6AEwCXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=record grouse bag&f=false Edited March 7, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 I’ve just been on one today , have put a post up , I used hull comp x 21g and they worked great ,fired over 400 carts through the day with no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Just for comparison. My friend runs a high bird shoot, 8:1 is the standard ratio (crazy I know) for 500 head and the total shot count is often 4,000 between 8-9 guns. They will be shooting 32g+ I would recommend 21/24g for clays however, you don’t get too many runners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, spurs 14 said: I’ve just been on one today , have put a post up , I used hull comp x 21g and they worked great ,fired over 400 carts through the day with no problem Absolutely, or Llayvale Express superlight 21g. If you're Derbysire, look at visiting the Boar. Christian has sim driven game, sim flushes, you can select 20 or 40 any number of you shooting and as many flushes as you can afford. I shoot there about once a week and often get through a slab in an hour or two. My son shoots 28g Hull Comp X, but when he runs out pinches my 21g and always seems surprised when it hits the extreme or long range stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 24 gram Cheddite as already mentioned, or 24 gram Hull Comp X are light on the shoulder. The Comp X are also 65mm cases, no good for the semi auto BUT excellent in that S x S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Foster Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) I would buy a pair of 1kg weighted gloves - that is 1kg per hand. Then practice mounting the gun indoors for a few weeks before the shoot - with the gloves on obviously. Build up to 150/200 mounts over a two hour period and then give yourself a week off before the event. This will build your muscles up and stop fatigue. Fatigue is much more likely to ruin your day that the cartridge selection. 28g Hull Comp X (plastic) is a good choice but if you need fibre Gamebore Evo 24g or 28g are good choices and easily available. Edited March 9, 2020 by Adrian Foster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 The secret to the day is to be measured in what you shoot not to try to shoot every clay in the sky, you'll be surprised at how many cartridges you shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 The better ones now spread the clays out in more of a controlled flush, rather than concentrate on filling the sky. Makes for a much more enjoyable day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 Borrow a 410 if you don't have one and make it really sporting. Have shot a couple of make believe days and although enjoyable not my scene but my 410 held it's own very well and I shot some 2 1/2s provided by the organisers included in the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 The shoot I went on was great , there were clays in the sky at most times but nothing was a rush , there were eight machines throwing across the eight pegs so lots of angles , and no one got the hump if you shot your neighbours or four pegs down , with a loader you can have a mad five minutes and shoot as quick and as much as you can ( it is fun!!!! ) or be selective and pick your shots , as someone picked up on your left arm can pay for it a little as in mounting soo many times but it’s not that it’s a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) The estate I once shot over some thirty years ago used to have an annual charity clay day. And as it had the abandoned Great Central Line running through it. As well as the five usual suspect stands including a dropping pigeon, and rabbit. and teal and etc., it also used to mount an automatic trap on one of the embankments and run a "one man flush". Which was fun. One of the guns pretty much used to win it most years as whilst the over under boys were good shots he was as good. But his advantage was that even though he was using a side by side he used his Purdey. Edited March 9, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) On 7 March 2020 at 16:47, enfieldspares said: I know they don't. And I've shot enough driven game days of over two hundred shot over thirty plus years of this pastime to know so. I certainly didn't use five hundred cartridges and neither did anybody else. Even on double gunned day you'd not shoot five hundred cartridges. Walsingham's record grouse bag was of over one thousand birds for just one and a half thousand cartridges. Most shoots will average three cartridges to each bird shot. Some shoots that ration might be 4:1. On a three hundred bird day that's about a thousand cartridges to one thousand twelve hundred. A team of eight guns? 1200/8 = 150. 500 plus a day fired? Daft! https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ii99CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&lpg=PT29&dq=record+grouse+bag&source=bl&ots=-E5RkXXhGp&sig=ACfU3U3DeTNo9WqOqcbG2WalrbVOhgrPhA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjftqm76IjoAhXMbMAKHVM7C28Q6AEwCXoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=record grouse bag&f=false I did 4 days last season where I shot over 500 34/4s. 2 were back to back 1200 over 2 days. Everyday in Agentina is 2000 shots, South Africa about 1200 Edited March 9, 2020 by Perazzishot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 What? Pardon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted March 9, 2020 Report Share Posted March 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: What? Pardon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) What? Pardon? As in all that noise. Or rather a lot of blast at the muzzle which really does the damage. God bless your hearing. That's a lot of cartridges. Edited March 10, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 10, 2020 Report Share Posted March 10, 2020 It’s not a contest of manliness of bragging rights about what weight of load you could shoot. Get yourself a couple of slabs of 7.5 21g loads, blast away to your hearts content at the sim day and you arms will tire before your shoulder or cheek do. Whatever is left use over decoys at 30yds through a half choke and the pigeons will still drop stone dead. Make it as fun for yourself as you can, poach your neighbours targets, in fact poach 3 pegs down if you can as there will be plenty targets in the sky for them to do it back to you. Perazzishot has done more than one sim day when i’ve been organising rather than booming and he giggled like a bairn at some of the outrageous poaching he did, mind you he was shooting against a group of part time women 😜😜😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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