mel b3 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 What does the massive think of the way that Boris is handling the Corona affair ?. Personally, and not previously being a fan (despite voting conservative in the general election ), I think he's doing a pretty fair job , he seems to be handling things in a very honest and open way(as much as possible ) , and letting it be about the science , rather than the politics . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 My thoughts entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, mel b3 said: What does the massive think of the way that Boris is handling the Corona affair ?. Personally, and not previously being a fan (despite voting conservative in the general election ), I think he's doing a pretty fair job , he seems to be handling things in a very honest and open way(as much as possible ) , and letting it be about the science , rather than the politics . Agree with you think he is doing a decent job of a bad situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Ruler Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 He’s following the advice given by the experts and adjusting policy as things change. Piers Morgan wants a clear fixed policy with no nuances, but he’s a tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 I think it's a joke how under prepared the government and other public services are to effectively deal with this. That said, I think Boris has done a very good job with the resources he currently has. Once this is over, I hope the greedy in society realise that take take take can seriously back fire and we'll see some change, but I won't hold my breath on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mighty Ruler said: He’s following the advice given by the experts and adjusting policy as things change. Piers Morgan wants a clear fixed policy with no nuances, but he’s a tool. That goat Morgan just wants to beat a politician over the head with anything he can get his hands on. How in the name of jezabel can you have a clear FIXED policy on a situation that is completely fluid? The situation changes by the day so policy will have to change accordingly. So I think fair dos to Boris, when you don't hear too much crying from opposition MPs then you must be doing something right. All I can say is thank the good Lord Diane abbot isn't the one doing the calculations! Edited March 18, 2020 by Rob85 Adding text Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 He's in the classic 'Damned if you do and damned if you don't' situation. If he plays this right, it will be his making or his swansong. I'm relieved Comrade Corbyn isn't in the chair. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 We are in uncharted water on this outbreak.A lot of commonsense is needed from us all.He is being guided by the correct people on it.The daily briefings are a good thing.Lets hope it gets sorted soon and normality can return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) He has dithered too long. And left it too late. Cases here are now increasing at an exponential rate if you draw a time chart. My wife was speaking to friends in France. They were dumbfounded that Johnson hadn't already closed the schools as, apparently, that is the biggest vehicle for its spread. And I for one want now to see any potential Huawei contracts voided. The Chinese have caused this and we in Europe need to spend our money now with businesses based in Europe to revive ourselves once this pandemic is over. Edited March 18, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 What should have happend was.- Everyone should have gone home for 2 weeks - 3 weeks ago .close the boarders and stop the planes outwards and quaratine all returning passengers . That way we would have had only a few hundred more cases and been able to control it then . Now with 50k people infected its far too late.. Waste of time doing anything now . It would be better to reopen the boarders etc and get the economy going again . once the horse has bolted you may as well leave to stable door open on the off chance the horse wanders back in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) ULTRASTU. Correct. 100%. We, the UK, is now the next Italy. May God help our seniors because Johnson has condemned them to die. Edited March 18, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 When i say do nothing .i mean protect the infirm and vunerable .but the working masses let them work . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, Mighty Ruler said: He’s following the advice given by the experts and adjusting policy as things change. Piers Morgan wants a clear fixed policy with no nuances, but he’s a tool. 28 minutes ago, Rob85 said: That goat Morgan just wants to beat a politician over the head with anything he can get his hands on. How in the name of jezabel can you have a clear FIXED policy on a situation that is completely fluid? The situation changes by the day so policy will have to change accordingly. So I think fair dos to Boris, when you don't hear too much crying from opposition MPs then you must be doing something right. All I can say is thank the good Lord Diane abbot isn't the one doing the calculations! If you think back to the General Election, Boris gave an interview to the BBC but would not go on to Good Morning Britain on ITV. Piers seems to hold a grudge!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: What should have happend was.- Everyone should have gone home for 2 weeks - 3 weeks ago .close the boarders and stop the planes outwards and quaratine all returning passengers . That way we would have had only a few hundred more cases and been able to control it then . Now with 50k people infected its far too late.. Waste of time doing anything now . It would be better to reopen the boarders etc and get the economy going again . once the horse has bolted you may as well leave to stable door open on the off chance the horse wanders back in . I disagree, if they'd shut us down, we'd of had to of lived as a island nation with no movement of people and country wide lock downs every other week. The economy would be on the floor untill everyone was vaccinated. It just wouldn't be feasible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 They keep on talking about flattening the curve ..but that means prolonging isolation and people out of work and businesses failing . And a huge recession taking hold . Everyone IS gonna get this in some form sooner or later .if the country is broke then the health care system isnt gonna work anyway . 1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said: I disagree, if they'd shut us down, we'd of had to of lived as a island nation with no movement of people and country wide lock downs every other week. The economy would be on the floor untill everyone was vaccinated. It just wouldn't be feasible. Thats where we are now .just with a massive uncontrolled virus as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 Just now, Ultrastu said: They keep on talking about flattening the curve ..but that means prolonging isolation and people out of work and businesses failing . And a huge recession taking hold . Everyone IS gonna get this in some form sooner or later .if the country is broke then the health care system isnt gonna work anyway . They had 3 basic options 1 do nothing and allow everyone to get it, that would mean literally millions die due to a huge peak of illness with nowhere near enough resources to save life. Pros= get it over quickly con= maximum dead 2 lock country down pros=minimum infection con= complete economic doom, likleyhood of society breakdown due to everyone losing there jobs and no money, rioting and caps eventually ensues, would go on until vaccine found 3 halfway house (what there doing now) Control peak infection rates so country builds immunity, loss of life kept to minimum, economy grinds along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said: They had 3 basic options 1 do nothing and allow everyone to get it, that would mean literally millions die due to a huge peak of illness with nowhere near enough resources to save life. Pros= get it over quickly con= maximum dead 2 lock country down pros=minimum infection con= complete economic doom, likleyhood of society breakdown due to everyone losing there jobs and no money, rioting and caps eventually ensues, would go on until vaccine found 3 halfway house (what there doing now) Control peak infection rates so country builds immunity, loss of life kept to minimum, economy grinds along Your options are right. However I fear the impact of 3 will be as severe as 2. I don’t think they were predicting millions dead for option 1. The CMO mentioned 250,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 I reckon he is doing a half decent job balancing the needs of the economy and trying to manage the virus at the same time. I would have expected some earlier action on securing resources ahead of the shortages. Science led as it should be. Not sure how we are going to pay the bill though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, oowee said: I reckon he is doing a half decent job balancing the needs of the economy and trying to manage the virus at the same time. I would have expected some earlier action on securing resources ahead of the shortages. Science led as it should be. Not sure how we are going to pay the bill though. When the banks were bailed out the money came from somewhere, same now? I haven't been following much of this till this week, from what I've seen Boris is doing what's needed. How are things in Japan? They closed all the schools a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, AVB said: Your options are right. However I fear the impact of 3 will be as severe as 2. I don’t think they were predicting millions dead for option 1. The CMO mentioned 250,000. Maybe not officially, however, they guessed up to 80% infection rate, And with a 3-4% death rate, I make it over 2 million dead if 4% of that predicted number of infections occurred. Edited to add I agree, the ensuing financial crisis could be as bad or worse than the infection if they don't get it right Edited March 18, 2020 by 12gauge82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 17 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: They keep on talking about flattening the curve ..but that means prolonging isolation and people out of work and businesses failing ... I don't think that flattening the curve is done like that, it means we allow a certain (admittedly unknown) amount of the population to get the virus, then batten down the hatches for a while, people will be in recovery or well, and then more will get it as we resume a more natural life and repeat, that way we do not inundate the NHS with more than they can cope with. This carries on until we have a viable vaccine or immunity across the globe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 All politicians succeed or fail not on their own efforts but on OBE (other ******* efforts) usually those of paid government employees! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mice! said: When the banks were bailed out the money came from somewhere, same now? I haven't been following much of this till this week, from what I've seen Boris is doing what's needed. How are things in Japan? They closed all the schools a while back. Bank bailout was £137 billion gross and so far just £27 billion nett. The bailout package for the virus is £350 billion and now a potential global reccession. Still there are few other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, oowee said: Bank bailout was £137 billion gross and so far just £27 billion nett. The bailout package for the virus is £350 billion and now a potential global reccession. Still there are few other options. Not sure if the government can do it, but if they say right no one can work, house arrest as such, could they force banks and landlords to freeze mortgages?? Obviously people are worried that if they can't work they can't earn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Ruler Posted March 18, 2020 Report Share Posted March 18, 2020 The trouble with a lockdown is that when it’s lifted the virus takes off again. There’s still no confirmed (tested) cases in the city I live in, although my son in law was diagnosed over the phone, but I don’t think he had it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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