Vince Green Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) I knew it wouldn't be long www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1267400/labour-party-news-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-long-bailey-momentum https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1267400/labour-party-news-keir-starmer-jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-long-bailey-momentum Edited April 10, 2020 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 let them implode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Newbie to this said: let them implode Self destruction during lockdown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 at one time many years ago ...the labour movement was a wholesome ideal/party for the country ...for the people..and there were statesmen and stateswomen within the movement / party.......... it is now a vicious cesspit..............there is going to be a split and will herald the total destruction of the labour ideals............ we do need a balanced parliament to hold to account the excesses of the governing body....it is healthy and it is right...... times are a changing ............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 minute ago, ditchman said: at one time many years ago ...the labour movement was a wholesome ideal/party for the country ...for the people..and there were statesmen and stateswomen within the movement / party.......... it is now a vicious cesspit..............there is going to be a split and will herald the total destruction of the labour ideals............ we do need a balanced parliament to hold to account the excesses of the governing body....it is healthy and it is right...... times are a changing ............... I have heard of those days, bit before my time though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 and....another snide remark about Boris and his being taken into ICU ...this time from a leading member of a trades union. at least the Union have suspended him BUT for how long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshirelad Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 That joyful harmony didn't last long! Wot a bunch of numpties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adzyvilla Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Labour. Once a party for the working man, now a party for Marxists, fringe loonies and too lazy to practice lawyers. A disgusting bunch, their destruction is a long time coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 To get any sort of credibility with ordinary voters, the Labour Party need to firstly totally negate then get rid of the Trotskyite loony left, Starmer cannot allow them even a smell of power, as they will always work for the cause, fight dirty (the end justifies the means) and undermine the moderates, in order to re-establish control with a view to ultimately getting into power!.......they cannot seem to get that the electorate will never knowingly vote the hard left into government!........and if they did, they would soon crash and burn as their unbendable political dogma will never allow them to evolve into the sort of government the UK electorate want! We will soon see what Starmer is really made of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 I would say labour are far more dangerous now starmer is the leader. Under Corbyn their true beliefs and intentions were clearly obvious to the electorate. However they now have a leader who is more acceptable to the wider electorate. This could give them a cloak of respectsbilty to gain power and once in, ditch starmer and take over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 Let's remember it was the Daily Express. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 So the party that has been asking for a government of national unity can't even find unity within itself. Yeah that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 It gets worse They really are just comical. How anyone puts an X in their box is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 hours ago, TRINITY said: I would say labour are far more dangerous now starmer is the leader. Under Corbyn their true beliefs and intentions were clearly obvious to the electorate. However they now have a leader who is more acceptable to the wider electorate. This could give them a cloak of respectsbilty to gain power and once in, ditch starmer and take over. Starmer is devious (remember he was a lawyer) and duplicitous. He will say what people want to hear, but do what his party pressurises him to do. He is clever enough to appear 'moderate', but ultimately he only 'leads' a party. Policy is set by the NEC, which is still pretty hard left, and the purse strings are still union dependant. MacDonnell and Burgon are stirring behind the scenes, probably financed by McLusky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Starmer is devious (remember he was a lawyer) and duplicitous. He will say what people want to hear, but do what his party pressurises him to do. He is clever enough to appear 'moderate', but ultimately he only 'leads' a party. Policy is set by the NEC, which is still pretty hard left, and the purse strings are still union dependant. MacDonnell and Burgon are stirring behind the scenes, probably financed by McLusky And Jon Lansman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted April 10, 2020 Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 The corbinites are a bunch of has beens ,clutching at straws . What a shower of despicable people . harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 hours ago, Harnser said: The corbinites are a bunch of has beens ,clutching at straws They have suffered a setback - but their candidate (Long-Bailey) still has a shadow post. The hard left NEC people will retire to the shadows, but will spread their bile behind the scenes and work to undermine the leadership and retain/get their stooges in positions of real power in the party. Since the Corbyn era, when the power control was shifted, Labour is really controlled by the NEC and is dependant on union money. The leader and Parliamentary party have little actual power - despite being the 'visible face'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 Well as long as they maintain the infighting, anti-semitism and generally poor record of anything above Council level, they will stay unelectable for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Heron Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 17 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Self destruction during lockdown! +1👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 10 hours ago, Harnser said: The corbinites are a bunch of has beens ,clutching at straws . What a shower of despicable people . harnser Far from it they are growing even faster and nastier than before. Keep a very close eye on burgon,he is evil and far mare dangerous than Corbyn. There are only two outcomes for starmer. The first is to become a left wing puppet masquerading as a moderate. The second is that he will be attacked from within and eventually get over thrown from the left Labour can appear to be as moderate as they wish and no doubt some members of this forum could be attracted by the type of policies the likes of starmer purport to represent. However there is forever one stark reminder what labourer really are. Any party that stands together to sing the red flag ,is and always will be ,far left in its philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, TRINITY said: Far from it they are growing even faster and nastier than before. Keep a very close eye on burgon,he is evil and far mare dangerous than Corbyn. There are only two outcomes for starmer. The first is to become a left wing puppet masquerading as a moderate. The second is that he will be attacked from within and eventually get over thrown from the left Labour can appear to be as moderate as they wish and no doubt some members of this forum could be attracted by the type of policies the likes of starmer purport to represent. However there is forever one stark reminder what labourer really are. Any party that stands together to sing the red flag ,is and always will be ,far left in its philosophy. When I was active in the trade unions the militants (as they were known then) would slowly infiltrate committees by putting forward candidates one by one over time who appeared out of thin air as far as that branch was concerned but actually were activists from another branch or another union. It always struck me at the time there was a lot of planning going on behind the scenes because things like that don't happen by chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 18 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I have heard of those days, bit before my time though! Its called the good old days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, Vince Green said: It always struck me at the time there was a lot of planning going on behind the scenes because things like that don't happen by chance I'm sure you are right; they worked for a long time to move to the left from the Blair period - managing to just pip the moderate relatively David Milliband to the post with hgis power hungry younger brother (Ed Milliband) who took a more left leaning stance. This was rejected by the electorate - and they then managed to put Corbyn into power - many thought as a 'place holder' for McDonnell. In corbyn's time the left gradually built up their 'behind the scenes' power base in momentum activists and sets on the ruling NEC going to left candidates. https://labour.org.uk/about/how-we-work/national-executive-committee/whos-on-the-nec/ You will note that it has a very large number of places reserved for Unions and has the left well represented including the chair (Andi Fox, TSSA Union and Momentum member) and vice chair (Ian Murray, FBU and a hard left Corbyn supporter), Jon Trickett, (Corbyn and Long-Bailey supporter), Long-Bailey (Corbyn's preferred successor), Diane Abbott (the party's equivalent of Village Idiot), Jon Lansman, Pete Willman (both non elected hard left policy makers and Momentum organisers. In my view there will be continual internal goings on to prevent Starmer moving the NEC to the right to be more in line with the Parliamentary party and to undermine his authority within the party machine, then towards the next election, I suspect there will be an attempt to unseat Starmer and replace him with Burgon or McDonnell - though I suspect McDonnell will prefer to pull the strings from behind his carefully crafted 'good humoured genuinely nice old chap persona' he skilfully manages to project when broadcasting etc. (See footage of him addressing a rally and you will see how he works up the crowd hatred just as cleverly). What those pulling the strings at the Labour party don't seem to 'get' is that overall the UK does not want a 'hard left' government. Whether that remains true when the economy has been decimated (and everyone has a cut in their standards of living) by the present crisis is an interesting question .......... and that may be what brings down Boris - despite it being pretty much totally global and so beyond his control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 (edited) https://www.binlabour.com/2020/04/boris-icu-publicity-stunt-says.html another oxygen thief made to eat her words Edited April 11, 2020 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 hello, there should be a list of people. MPs etc who have broken the government guide lines or made crass statements, so we can have a mass sacking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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