WalkedUp Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 BASC really have lost themselves. See this opinion piece from BASC Vice President Peter Glenser QC. He argues against corvid control on a Sunday as: 1. Corvids do not predate chicks or damage silage wraps on Sundays. Gentlemen do not shoot vermin. 2. You should not shoot on Sundays. As Gentlemen do not work Saturdays, surely any decent chap can shoot on a Saturday instead? 3. People who shoot on Sundays often use semi-automatic shotguns. Gentlemen do not use semi automatic shotguns. 4. People who shoot on Sunday often wing birds without killing them. Gentlemen always kill every bird, and never miss or ***** a bird. It would be very ungentlemanly to ***** a bird, a wicked beastly thing that only occurs on Sundays. 5. Shooting on a Sunday disturbs my peace and tranquillity. A gentleman does not wish to have his peace and tranquillity disturbed. @Conor O'Gorman @David BASC When you read that article, did shut your laptops down and sink your face into your hands? It must be awful being sent out to bat for these self righteous, disconnected fools. The asterisk are for pric- with the hyphen representing ‘k’. I tend to shoot Saturdays, but have no objection to my neighbours shooting on Sundays. Is it because I’m not a gentleman or because I’m not suffering from God-complex that I am so ridiculously reasonable about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 Let him crack on. BASC is fast becoming a sinking ship and the crew are baleing the water in rather than out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 Does he get paid for writing this twaddle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 Not convinced we are reading the same article. I can’t see where it says any of the things you quote. I agree it is ill thought out and should not have been published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 Yes somebody mentioned it in another thread. Quite seriously what the **** is going on, I've seen no real logic towards its members in years. Probably the best org we had is just clutching onto the bowl before it finally gets flushed down the ****ter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted July 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, London Best said: Not convinced we are reading the same article. I can’t see where it says any of the things you quote. I agree it is ill thought out and should not have been published. Apologies, I wasn’t quoting but exaggerating for effect to magnify his implication. He can’t state why shooting on a Sunday is bad, so just throws dirt at it from anecdote. No better than Packham and he is meant to not only be one of us, but on our payroll and fighting for us....🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 Yeah, I thought it was a very strange piece. I was once introduced to the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 The code of good shooting practice is here:http://www.codeofgoodshootingpractice.org.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: The code of good shooting practice is here:http://www.codeofgoodshootingpractice.org.uk/ Thanks for that, but what has that to do with the price of fish? When you next see PG, you may want to remind him that the majority of his members work for a living, generally during the 5 days of the working week and enjoy their leisure pursuits at the weekend - Namely Saturday and Sunday. I would think Mr Glenser would be better employed convincing his neighbours that lawful pest control was being undertaken and perhaps they should turn their radio up a little to avoid the disturbance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid .25 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) He's definitely lost the plot 😁😁 Edited July 7, 2020 by rapid .25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted July 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said: The code of good shooting practice is here:http://www.codeofgoodshootingpractice.org.uk/ Thank you for your response Conor but I can’t see anything about not shooting on Sundays in that, can you please point us in the right direction? Alternatively you could just admit that he got it wrong? In my profession I often have to make marginal calls, sometimes I get them wrong but I hold my hands up and accept it. Call me crazy but people seem to understand and respect it. This clear fear of failure and impervious attitude is the root cause of BASC’s issues. I have been an on-off member of BASC for over 20 years, I have generally supported BASC and given the benefit of the doubt, even over lead shot (although you would have to accept it was handled very badly - especially DT’s awful video), however it is becoming a pantomime of late. I don’t shoot on Sundays generally because I only work five days a week and prefer to get out on the Saturday. Many of my friends are not that fortunate - do I judge them lesser people because they have to work on the Sabbath and enjoy their pastime on the Lord’s day? Just admit the article was pretentious twaddle based upon thin anecdote and we can be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: Thank you for your response Conor but I can’t see anything about not shooting on Sundays in that, can you please point us in the right direction? Alternatively you could just admit that he got it wrong? In my profession I often have to make marginal calls, sometimes I get them wrong but I hold my hands up and accept it. Call me crazy but people seem to understand and respect it. This clear fear of failure and impervious attitude is the root cause of BASC’s issues. I have been an on-off member of BASC for over 20 years, I have generally supported BASC and given the benefit of the doubt, even over lead shot (although you would have to accept it was handled very badly - especially DT’s awful video), however it is becoming a pantomime of late. I don’t shoot on Sundays generally because I only work five days a week and prefer to get out on the Saturday. Many of my friends are not that fortunate - do I judge them lesser people because they have to work on the Sabbath and enjoy their pastime on the Lord’s day? Just admit the article was pretentious twaddle based upon thin anecdote and we can be done with it. Wait! So let us get this right. You think the Aspects of shooting commented on by Peter Glenser promote our sport. RIGHT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Rabbit Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 I brought this article up on the other BASC thread. The points it raises can be debated allday but the tone of it is horrendous. How no one at BASC can see that is beyond me. It comes across as a personal issue. Why is a semi auto mentioned. Noise is noise. The idea that sundays are somehow set aside for quiet contemplation sounds incredibly middle class. Sundays are just another day to a lot of folk now. It could be pointed out that without corvid control there'd be no bird song to listen to! I backed BASC over the GE fiasco as they were blind sided by it. Although I think having the backing of the NFU probably saved the day in reality. Since then I've been deeply troubled by their actions. WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted July 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 42 minutes ago, lancer425 said: Wait! So let us get this right. You think the Aspects of shooting commented on by Peter Glenser promote our sport. RIGHT? No, I can categorically state that mudslinging at one branch of shooting does not promote our sport. Other than that I see no content in his comment at all. Unsubstantiated rumour and anecdote. If you refer to winged birds then it is ridiculous, you show me a shooting man who has never clipped a bird and I will show you a liar. If you refer to semi automatic shotguns then I fail to see any aspect which is even worth debate. If you have refer to noise try telling me that shotguns used for corvid control are louder than those used for game. It is just snobbery, pure and simple. I defended BASC over GL, I listened to them over lead, I am bemused over the legal expenses handling but I cannot come in board with any positive to take from this latest own-goal. To quote Malcom Tucker, it’s an omnishambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Well it just appears to enforce the perception that BASC are really only there for the privileged wealthy pheasant shooters and do not give a fig about the more numerous ordinary shooting man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted July 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Well it just appears to enforce the perception that BASC are really only there for the privileged wealthy pheasant shooters and do not give a fig about the more numerous ordinary shooting man! Agree! I shoot the odd big bag game day and love it but I also shoot squirrels, crows etc. We are a broad church let’s keep together. Edited July 7, 2020 by WalkedUp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243deer Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Folk working in retail usually do 5 1/2 day weeks, those working for delivery companies and the Royal Mail the same. If you work for the NHS then who knows when you might get a day off at the moment. I am sure that there are many others who can only realistically get out on a Sunday. My local farmers do not turn their bangers off on a Sunday, nor do they stop harvest or cultivation if the weather is right. I would quite enjoy seeing Mr Glenser try and tell one or two farmers of my acquaintance that they should be quiet on a Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 so why does he not move back in the town, if he dont like the niose, in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted July 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 I turned up at a farm at 6.00am on Thursday. They had the gas gun on already. If you choose to live in the countryside get used to shooting. I have peas surrounding me. Wheat last year, I wasn’t fussed if one of the other guns shot early morning. Near my house. Just being able to hear a gunshot from 300m away is very different to noise disturbance. If our friend the QC wants to move to the city he will be complaining about revellers on Friday evenings and bin collections on Tuesday mornings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 I don't see the CPSA decrying shooting on a Sunday. It's blatant snobbery, and could be understood from an old duffer writing to "The Field" … but has NO PLACE WHATSOEVER coming from an organization promoting all of our interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 Maybe I shall become a biker, then complain to a bike magazine about the bikes going full chat along the main road on a Sunday...... 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, lancer425 said: Wait! So let us get this right. You think the Aspects of shooting commented on by Peter Glenser promote our sport. RIGHT? Well, I suppose it had to happen sooner or later. I actually agree - not entirely, but certainly to a degree. If PG had put down his pen at the end of his first paragraph all woul;d have been well. After all, anyone thinking that we have no need to have consideration for our neighbours and acts accordingly does the rest of no favours at all. Neither does the inability to accept that fact. Unfortunately, he kept on and whereas he made a valid point he then destroyed any consideration that it was such as witnessed by the comments subsequently made here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Quote As Gentlemen do not work Saturdays, surely any decent chap can shoot on a Saturday instead? A true gentleman in fact NEVER shoots on a Saturday either. At one time it was one of those verbal slights made against those who tried hard to be but weren't quite. "Of course, he shoots on a Saturday you know." The inference being that either he "was in trade" and in a rank in that trade so couldn't get time off in the week or that he didn't, on a Saturday, follow hounds. Edited July 7, 2020 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 fot the QC to make a statement like that is stupid, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, mossy835 said: fot the QC to make a statement like that is stupid, Very simple, and right to the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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