12gauge82 Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 The WHO have just announced that they will relook at the UK's approach of giving only one dose first as it "appears to have worked for us". So, despite all the criticism of Boris and with the UK appearing to have used our new found ability to be agile outside of a floundering EU and what appears to be another uk success, what's peoples thoughts? Does anyone still feel we'd be better off in the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 I would have thought that it's a bit early to say that it has worked for us? Even the manufacturers of the vaccine seem to say that 3 months between doses is not good. I cannot help but think that half as many people taking the full dose is better than twice the people taking half a dose. Early days yet so ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ttfjlc Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 I honestly read the first sentence twice wondering why the great rock band was being mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Hello, Did I hear we should only vaccinate those over 50 and give any surplus jabs to the EU, ? It was on sky news ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 45 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: The WHO have just announced that they will relook at the UK's approach of giving only one dose first as it "appears to have worked for us". So, despite all the criticism of Boris and with the UK appearing to have used our new found ability to be agile outside of a floundering EU and what appears to be another uk success, what's peoples thoughts? Does anyone still feel we'd be better off in the EU? The WHO............they are totally useless....they £2.9 billion /year.........for what.?????........all they do is to go on TV pontificate and use data from someone one else and make out they have done it........and thrash their expenses........ bunch of con artists....gravy train jockeys........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Did I hear we should only vaccinate those over 50 and give any surplus jabs to the EU, ? It was on sky news ? Must be true then 🤔they’re nearly as bad as the BBC take everything they say with a pinch of salt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, sam triple said: Must be true then 🤔they’re nearly as bad as the BBC take everything they say with a pinch of salt Hello, it was stated by a member of WHO ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, ditchman said: The WHO............they are totally useless....they £2.9 billion /year.........for what.?????........all they do is to go on TV pontificate and use data from someone one else and make out they have done it........and thrash their expenses........ bunch of con artists....gravy train jockeys........... Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 25 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, it was stated by a member of WHO ? Yes but what he /she said has probably been manipulated, I believe nothing on main stream media, I prefer to read Russia today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, sam triple said: Yes but what he /she said has probably been manipulated, I believe nothing on main stream media, I prefer to read Russia today And you don't think news is manipulated / spun on Russia today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 hours ago, bruno22rf said: I cannot help but think that half as many people taking the full dose is better than twice the people taking half a dose. Well that depends on the level of protection from the 1st dose. I'd rather have everyone getting 60-70% protection than half the population getting 80-90% because there's data coming out that the 1st dose not only makes the illness less destructive but also reduces the reduces transmission. And in the last analysis that's the only way we can get out this Covid fertiliser as throwing the entire economy under the bus to "Save the NHS" doesn't solve anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, ditchman said: The WHO............they are totally useless....they £2.9 billion /year.........for what.?????........all they do is to go on TV pontificate and use data from someone one else and make out they have done it........and thrash their expenses........ bunch of con artists....gravy train jockeys........... Hello, perhaps that is why Trump was going to give them the 👎 down, hope all's well Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 They are doing a great job. 👍 unlike the EU. The UK as with all EU member states had the option to join the EU joint purchasing scheme for vacinne. Definitely a sound decision not to. I am hoping that they can keep increasing the numbers as the second doses will be due soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 53 minutes ago, oowee said: They are doing a great job. 👍 unlike the EU. The UK as with all EU member states had the option to join the EU joint purchasing scheme for vacinne. Definitely a sound decision not to. I am hoping that they can keep increasing the numbers as the second doses will be due soon. Am I in the Matrix?? 😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docleo Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 6 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: The WHO have just announced that they will relook at the UK's approach of giving only one dose first as it "appears to have worked for us". So, despite all the criticism of Boris and with the UK appearing to have used our new found ability to be agile outside of a floundering EU and what appears to be another uk success, what's peoples thoughts? Does anyone still feel we'd be better off in the EU? Could you please give us a link for WHO saying the "one dose approach" worked? I have the impression this is fake news but happy to be corrected. UK would have been able to act exactly the same way being in the EU, but probably this does not suit the anti-EU propaganda. Hopefully Brexit will bring some real benefit at some point. That said, Boris is doing a good job and I hope 1 dose gives enough protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Mice! said: Am I in the Matrix?? 😁😁 depends which earth you are on..........the flat one .....or....the round one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Docleo said: Could you please give us a link for WHO saying the "one dose approach" worked? I have the impression this is fake news but happy to be corrected. UK would have been able to act exactly the same way being in the EU, but probably this does not suit the anti-EU propaganda. Hopefully Brexit will bring some real benefit at some point. That said, Boris is doing a good job and I hope 1 dose gives enough protection. Interesting perspective, I was under the impression if we'd signed up to the EU scheme, the vaccine would have been centrally sourced and divided up equally (except Germany and France would probably get the lions share of course). But perhaps that's not the case? 10 hours ago, ditchman said: The WHO............they are totally useless....they £2.9 billion /year.........for what.?????........all they do is to go on TV pontificate and use data from someone one else and make out they have done it........and thrash their expenses........ bunch of con artists....gravy train jockeys........... Completely agreed. On another note I'm sure if the virus came out of the lab in China either accidentally or on purpose the WHO wont be telling us anytime soon. 6 hours ago, oowee said: They are doing a great job. 👍 unlike the EU. The UK as with all EU member states had the option to join the EU joint purchasing scheme for vacinne. Definitely a sound decision not to. I am hoping that they can keep increasing the numbers as the second doses will be due soon. Fair play, never thought I'd hear you say that 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Docleo said: Could you please give us a link for WHO saying the "one dose approach" worked? I have the impression this is fake news but happy to be corrected. UK would have been able to act exactly the same way being in the EU, but probably this does not suit the anti-EU propaganda. Hopefully Brexit will bring some real benefit at some point. That said, Boris is doing a good job and I hope 1 dose gives enough protection. https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-27/covid-vaccine-uk-one-dose-strategy-absolutely-right-way-to-go-says-astrazeneca-boss Here's one from one of the vaccine producers bosses. I'm still searching for the statement by WHO, I'll post it when I find it. 4 hours ago, Docleo said: Could you please give us a link for WHO saying the "one dose approach" worked? I have the impression this is fake news but happy to be corrected. UK would have been able to act exactly the same way being in the EU, but probably this does not suit the anti-EU propaganda. Hopefully Brexit will bring some real benefit at some point. That said, Boris is doing a good job and I hope 1 dose gives enough protection. Here's a link from a WHO official. https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-uk-vindicated-over-brave-decision-to-delay-second-vaccine-dose-who-official-says-12211550?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16127313900774&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcovid-19-uk-vindicated-over-brave-decision-to-delay-second-vaccine-dose-who-official-says-12211550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Docleo said: Could you please give us a link for WHO saying the "one dose approach" worked? I have the impression this is fake news but happy to be corrected. UK would have been able to act exactly the same way being in the EU, but probably this does not suit the anti-EU propaganda. Hopefully Brexit will bring some real benefit at some point. That said, Boris is doing a good job and I hope 1 dose gives enough protection. I don't think we could have acted in the same way as their delay was caused by a central negotiation for the 27 states. This delayed their purchase by 3 months at least. Hence they are so far behind the UK and the criticism they have received from their own members. Even whats her name recently compared the uk as an agile speed boat and her beloved eu as a lumbering tanker. I heard on radio 4 that there was evidence to suggest the longer the gap the better the protection provided. Something to do with the memory of your immune system being refreshed and a longer wait refreshed more of it. They all seemed to think 12 to 21 week wait wouldn't make a lot of difference at all. As they were all experts in viruses ill take their word for it. Edited February 7, 2021 by GingerCat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docleo Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-27/covid-vaccine-uk-one-dose-strategy-absolutely-right-way-to-go-says-astrazeneca-boss Here's one from one of the vaccine producers bosses. I'm still searching for the statement by WHO, I'll post it when I find it. Here's a link from a WHO official. https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-uk-vindicated-over-brave-decision-to-delay-second-vaccine-dose-who-official-says-12211550?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16127313900774&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcovid-19-uk-vindicated-over-brave-decision-to-delay-second-vaccine-dose-who-official-says-12211550 This is really interesting. Thanks for sharing. Not sure if results from any study are already available but this is good news and very promising. As for the vaccination strategy, any nation (in EU) could have approved and ordered the vaccine independently, as UK did. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Docleo said: This is really interesting. Thanks for sharing. Not sure if results from any study are already available but this is good news and very promising. As for the vaccination strategy, any nation (in EU) could have approved and ordered the vaccine independently, as UK did. Cheers No worries, thanks for the info also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 14 hours ago, Docleo said: As for the vaccination strategy, any nation (in EU) could have approved and ordered the vaccine independently, as UK did. Makes you wonder why they didnt then ? Were they waiting for Brussels to nurse maid them through the process perhaps ? I hear some of the Eastern European countries are now ordering the Sputnik vaccine off Russia.....the horror ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 42 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Makes you wonder why they didnt then ? Were they waiting for Brussels to nurse maid them through the process perhaps ? I hear some of the Eastern European countries are now ordering the Sputnik vaccine off Russia.....the horror ! Astra Zeneca are collaborating with the Russians ,we may all be getting a bit of Sputnik at some time in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, TRINITY said: Astra Zeneca are collaborating with the Russians ,we may all be getting a bit of Sputnik at some time in the future I was being sarcastic as usual with 'the horror' bit , apparently British medics/scientists are cool with Sputnik V , and awarded it good scores in the coronavaccine sweepstakes Strange how some governments change their tune when it comes to such things. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00191-4/fulltext Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: I was being sarcastic as usual with 'the horror' bit , apparently British medics/scientists are cool with Sputnik V , and awarded it good scores in the coronavaccine sweepstakes Strange how some governments change their tune when it comes to such things. I think Sputnik is a strange name to give a vaccine but like you say it seems to do the job. However of they called it the LADA vaccine I would not go near the stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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