B725 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 I have paid a deposit of £500 for a day's shooting but it appears that it won't be going ahead the guy running it will not reply by phone text or wattsap. How can I legally recoup my money, I know his business address and home address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gu5 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 If you paid by credit card, a simple call to the card company will sort it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 Do / Did you have a contract? If so what does it say? What communication have you had so far? Option wise: Send a letter before claim, and then small claims court? It’s not worth getting solicitor involved as it’ll probably cost more than you get back. Also you could post about the guy online and see if he has done similar to others, I imagine once his reputation starts getting dented he may reply to your messages trying to sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted September 17, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 The deposit was paid in cash with a receipt as there was a problem with bank transfer and Nat West. The communication with his keeper up to last week had been positive but it seems they have parted company. I have a record of all communication on my phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 Hopefully it was a small deposit as I wouldn’t be holding my breath my first course of action would be to go and knock on his door then a trouncing on social media at this point you can’t go back and have to pursue it even if it costs more along with a call to his firearms licensing department informing them of the situation and the pending court action this is assuming that he is a shooting person do we really need fraudsters holding shoot days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 never pay cash, i would have put it on a credit card, but then i would never pay that much for a shoot, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telbert Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) If you've paid cash they know they've got you on the back foot straight away. Dont go and knock on their door unless you're prepared to go a lot further. Fill in this form https://www.gov.uk/make-money-claim send them a screenshot before you make the claim ,informing them that you'll go ahead with the claim immediately if the money's not returned. I've done it a few times, along with a google street view pic of their front door and its always worked for me. I did also think of telling them id publish the claim form on every relevant forum i can but iv'e never needed to. Good luck. Edited September 17, 2021 by telbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 Did you cancel or did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 The small claims court is useless, it's pretty much a toothless tiger, you've got more chance of taking a poop in the queen's handbag than being successful through small claims. You have to front up the initial cost of the claim, probably circa £50 - £70 for claiming that amount (haven't looked at their tariffs for ages). Presuming the judge finds in your favour and orders the defendant to pay up....what if he doesn't cough up? You can apply for judgement to be entered in to, at a further cost. Look at it from his perspective: If he's already in financial ruin he won't care if he has a CCJ added to his problems, he's probably already collected some already. Also, if this is a registered limited company and he's wound up the business or it's owing money left right and centre guess what, go and join the back of the queue and don't hold your breath whilst you're waiting in line. You can then apply, at an even further cost to yourself, for the court to send bailiffs to enforce the judgement. See the trend? More and more unrecoverable costs to yourself if they don't ultimately pay up, so you could end up circa £800 out of pocket instead of £500. This is why our small claims court system is an utter joke. It's far too easy to rip people off in this country and get away with it. I'm speaking with bitterness from personal experience here, as you might detect!! To date I have made 5 claims for unpaid bills to my business and only one was successful, I think I got my £60 back and a tiny bit of interest on top of it as it was a commercial debt. The other unpaid ones racked up over £3k all told, all businesses who disappeared without a trace. Unbelievably I got a CCJ put against a plumber because he refused to pay his bill of £45!! He got himself a CCJ for the sake of 45 quid! (and yes I was justified to do it, he tried to screw me after I saved his backside when he flooded someone's carpet) In all honesty I'd find a debt collector by word of mouth if you have contacts in the know. As long as they get to keep a decent cut of it you'll find that the most likely way of salvaging something. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 If you obtain a county court order and the value is over £600 including costs, then you can move it to the high court and obtain a writ, you stand a better chance of getting your money recovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 All at yet another cost up front to yourself which you'll only get back if you can successfully nail the *****d down and get them to pay. You can't recover debt from someone who's got nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 42 minutes ago, Jim Neal said: You can't recover debt from someone who's got nothing. must be a daylight thing they only seem to have your money if you collect at 3am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Jim Neal said: All at yet another cost up front to yourself which you'll only get back if you can successfully nail the *****d down and get them to pay. You can't recover debt from someone who's got nothing. While i understand you have not been able to recover your debts, the advice i have given is the best chance of recovery, in my experience more pay than don't when confronted with a high court officer. It is up to each individual to decide how far they want to go along the recovery trail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted September 19, 2021 Report Share Posted September 19, 2021 I do my debt recoveries myself in person. It’s amazing how many scouser lads think they are to much of a big man to bother paying for what they have signed for us to do. Find out where he lives and where he works. Turn up where he works first and let him know the next time will be on his door step. Keep calm, if he gets physical be prepared to call the police. Get him to pay on the spot or text (or preferably email) you to confirm that he owes you the money and will pay within 14 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka54 Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 Finally, If all else fails, purchase a black balaclava and nip round his place and make your point with a baseball bat. If anybody questions the balaclava, tell them its a Covid precaution. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted October 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 17/09/2021 at 19:05, telbert said: If you've paid cash they know they've got you on the back foot straight away. Dont go and knock on their door unless you're prepared to go a lot further. Fill in this form https://www.gov.uk/make-money-claim send them a screenshot before you make the claim ,informing them that you'll go ahead with the claim immediately if the money's not returned. I've done it a few times, along with a google street view pic of their front door and its always worked for me. I did also think of telling them id publish the claim form on every relevant forum i can but iv'e never needed to. Good luck. I did submit a claim but as there is now no correspondence at all how do you find out who the liquidation company is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 23 hours ago, B725 said: I did submit a claim but as there is now no correspondence at all how do you find out who the liquidation company is ? Did you submit a claim to the County Court? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 23 hours ago, B725 said: I did submit a claim but as there is now no correspondence at all how do you find out who the liquidation company is ? If they are in liquidation, the liquidator should contact you. But don't hold out any hope of getting any of your money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted October 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 I used the link added by Telbert it appears he taken a lot of money from a lot of people, the business was going to be struck off but that has now been suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 There may be a criminal offence. I'd speak to the police. It may be...if the offence still exists under the Theft Act of obtaining money by deception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 19 hours ago, B725 said: I used the link added by Telbert it appears he taken a lot of money from a lot of people, the business was going to be struck off but that has now been suspended. Is it near Monsall? If it is I heard this morning that there is a group on Facebook trying to get money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted October 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 That's the one. But I'm not on Facebook so I cannot see how or what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, B725 said: That's the one. But I'm not on Facebook so I cannot see how or what they are doing. Join then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 What's the group called.? How does he find this group.? Where on Facebook.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 06/10/2021 at 15:59, B725 said: That's the one. But I'm not on Facebook so I cannot see how or what they are doing. Pm sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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