samboy Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Hi gang. A pal of mine has several high calibre rifles and has been a member of a club for a couple of years now. He has just bought a .22 rimfire and has got permission to shoot rabbits. He wants to know if he applies for his certificate to be be opened will his couple of years experience be suffice or will he have to be mentored ?. He is with the Met. Thanks all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 I believe he will have to work his time. It differs force to force though and with the fact he has used and licensed rifles before....I assume for targets.... he should apply for an open ticket and see how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Typically in my area one would shoot on a land condition for a couple of years and then apply for it to be opened up. But each constabulary is different. Some are very reluctant, others are much more cooperative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Met are funny may take a few years before a open ticket if he lives in south east London. Had to have mentoring and checks for 22lr turned down for 17hmrs .Two years later open ticket and 243 so wait your time I had 400 acres to play with but he may not need it as he as other rifles good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 most won't give an open unless you can show a need for it, if you only have one bit of ground why would you need an open ticket? if you are contacting the police checking ground every couple of months or have a job that needs it you will probably be give an open ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyshooter Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 In my area an open ticket would only be granted for the rifles that are allowed to be used on land, and only after significant usage on the said land. Usage on approved ranges ( they state ) does not qualify as a reason to be considered for an open ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Sounds like he has no relevant experience or indeed a need for an open ticket. Shooting at targets there is no need to make a choice about backstops unlike when shooting quarry. Also he has limited shooting so an open ticket will not be required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7daysinaweek Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Under local liscensing force my ticket was fully restricted to four areas from grant which I had permission and calibre on what the land was deemed suitable for, each one visited by the feo and myself on application one morning. Only one of these bits of land had been passed previously a few years before for a calibre I was applying for and the FEO still wanted to give the land a glance over. I was informed on application that in the event of adding more permissions the granting of a less restrictive certificate (open cert) that this was not usual practice and unlikely considered. If further permission were continued to be added the process would be the same. If I recall the FEO said i some words that on second renewal at five years, taking into account several factors such as calibre deemed neccessary, more permissions, previous ammunition use etc that a less restrictive certificate would be considered if applied for and not 'opened' without request and review. It would appear from many of the threads on this subject that it can differ and change from licensing force to force. Some take into account circumstances within five years the granting of a less restrictive ticket, others do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Mine was chanced my hand and opened my FAC 3 years from grant, my friend was told that it is their policy not to open until at least the first renewal. The same licensing authority 🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 avon and somerset opened mine after 5 years, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 I used to be with the Met. They are pretty good at opening tickets once the subject has the appropriate experience. I doubt he'd get one going straight from targets. Probably after a couple of years of live shooting they'd reconsider. I don't believe they'd ask for a mentor for a rimfire, just a closed ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyshooter Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Mine was open from the beginning, but that was 47 years ago ! I am still afforded the same privilege today, however, I full understand and appreciate the novice / competent shooter scenario and the "need " to restrict the first few years of shooting to approved land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Depends on particular force and FEO. For example, i was given an open ticket straight away but am aware of people who have had to wait until they renew to get it opened up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 So how does this work if all your stalking is paid days with guides/estates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, grahamch said: So how does this work if all your stalking is paid days with guides/estates? You are stalking on ground approved for that calibre, not ground you yourself think is safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 On 14/11/2021 at 08:04, mossy835 said: avon and somerset opened mine after 5 years, Same for me, first renewal my RFs got opened but CFs stayed on restricted, as not had them as long. I did try and have a conversation about how the 22 can be as dangerous if not more so due to the bouncy nature of the round... But I am able to shoot on land I have and that is suitable for my CFs so I'm not that worried. Just means I have to check land I'm unsure of if given permission. 13 hours ago, grahamch said: So how does this work if all your stalking is paid days with guides/estates? As London Best says, land gets approved for calibre. So some areas may say it's safe for upto 243 On a set peice of land. so you'd not be allowed anything larger on that ground. Unless you have an open ticket I believe, as then it's down to the shooter to judge the shot is safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green hornet Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 When i started out I was required to have a mentor before having my 22lr with met.I had previous range experience but they didn’t take that into consideration.My ticket was closed for about 3 years until I requested it to be opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, ShootingEgg said: Same for me, first renewal my RFs got opened but CFs stayed on restricted, as not had them as long. I did try and have a conversation about how the 22 can be as dangerous if not more so due to the bouncy nature of the round... But I am able to shoot on land I have and that is suitable for my CFs so I'm not that worried. Just means I have to check land I'm unsure of if given permission. As London Best says, land gets approved for calibre. So some areas may say it's safe for upto 243 On a set peice of land. so you'd not be allowed anything larger on that ground. Unless you have an open ticket I believe, as then it's down to the shooter to judge the shot is safe I see, but if I am booking stalking how am i expected to know what it has been cleared for? To date have used an estate rifle on 3 different estates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 44 minutes ago, grahamch said: I see, but if I am booking stalking how am i expected to know what it has been cleared for? To date have used an estate rifle on 3 different estates That would be for the shooter who is booking to ask. Last time I went on a booked stalk I said I'd be bringing my 270, and was told that was not a problem. And if you use the estate rifle then you have no worries as they know what they are allowed to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonty Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 North Yorks issue, or did when I got mine, an open ticket on grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 On 15/11/2021 at 11:41, grahamch said: I see, but if I am booking stalking how am i expected to know what it has been cleared for? To date have used an estate rifle on 3 different estates "By way of payment or invitation" used to be a way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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