bluesj Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Either they have rules or they don't, you can't have it both ways. Safety car and lapped cars. 13 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: It's a bitter pill to swallow ... but I don't see what the FIA did wrong. Any of the bellyachers on here care to share what rule was broken to favour Max? Unfortunately I think figgy and tightchoke are right they should have done one thing or the other let all the lapped cars pass the pace car (I didn't realise they hadn't) or none of them! Sounds like that is what the rules say! The race director screwed up. Edited December 12, 2021 by bluesj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuffy Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Merc screwed up with the tyre thing , again ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 really dont care either way.......until Max came along ...lets face it F1 was dead boring.............love to see everyone getting out of their pram......they all get paid far too much anyway...... really look forward to next season with Russell in the other merc.........will he do as he is told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Well .. after needing to go down the gym to burn off my 'nervous energy' .. I've turned the radio on, and it seems that they've royally ballsed up and are now in a right mucking fuddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) The race officials have an opportunity to save face here. They can give Max a time penalty for going past Lewis while behind the safety car. Edited December 12, 2021 by redial Error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, redial said: The race officials have an opportunity to save face here. They can give Max a time penalty for going past Lewis while behind the safety car. He didn't quite though. At no point did the front of the car do anything other than draw level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, figgy said: They didn't let all the lapped cars through as they should have. Eith all or none. This. They modified the rules to get one lap of racing so it didn't end under the SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 How long till Michael Masi announces he is standing down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redial Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) When they negotiate a golden handshake. Edited December 12, 2021 by redial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: How long till Michael Masi announces he is standing down? I do wonder how different this whole season would have been under Charlie Whiting's leadership. Mercedes and Red Bull clashed with Charlie of course, but you always felt they respected him. Masi's been in the game for a chaotic 2 seasons with a global pandemic on and I just don't think the teams know him well enough to respect his decisions, particularly when they have such far reaching consequences. I will say it's not just Masi's decision, the race officials have a lot of questions to answer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, chrisjpainter said: I do wonder how different this whole season would have been under Charlie Whiting's leadership. Mercedes and Red Bull clashed with Charlie of course, but you always felt they respected him. Masi's been in the game for a chaotic 2 seasons with a global pandemic on and I just don't think the teams know him well enough to respect his decisions, particularly when they have such far reaching consequences. I will say it's not just Masi's decision, the race officials have a lot of questions to answer too. I too wonder what would have happened under CWs control. I feel he MM will be the fall guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Jackie Stewart's had his say: "The sport needed a new world champion and I think it was well done in the end, Max Verstappen has driven very well the whole season." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, chrisjpainter said: Jackie Stewart's had his say: "The sport needed a new world champion and I think it was well done in the end, Max Verstappen has driven very well the whole season." Or alternatively you could change "very well" for very dangerously! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Or alternatively you could change "very well" for very dangerously! Sunday drivers need not apply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 I don't watch a lot of the racing, not sure if what I saw should have been allowed but it was certainly an exciting end. Anyone any idea how long the appeal will take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 The lawyers are in! And not just any lawyers, Mercedes have had a barrister with them this weekend, just in case something like this happened. At this stage I wouldn't be surprised to see Rudy Giuliani coming out in front of a landscaping business to deliver his verdict - and for him to blame Hillary Clinton for it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Mice! said: I don't watch a lot of the racing, not sure if what I saw should have been allowed but it was certainly an exciting end. Anyone any idea how long the appeal will take? I have no idea. But the problem will still come down to what they could actually do - and there's nothing that they can do without unfairly impacting the other driver. Assuming there's nothing to Max overtaking under safety car issues (that would make things simple), then there's no other reasonable outlet for them. They can't give the race to Hamilton, because that would be to unfairly penalise Verstappen - and for Verstappen to have no chance to do anything about it. And there was still a lap of racing. Anything can happen in one lap, so you can't just say 'oh Hamilton would have probably won'. Unless he crashed, or had a puncture, or someone behind him ran into him, or he locked up and spun, or...or...or... They can't run the race again. They could void the whole race, in which case Verstappen still wins. They've made a rod for their own backs where they can't do anything fairly. They should have let all the cars pass. OR red flagged the race immediately, lined up for a standing start and just let them shake it out on track. As soon as they only let half the cars through, they'd signed their own death sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Upon reflection a Red Flag should have been posted. They were that far through the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Upon reflection a Red Flag should have been posted. They were that far through the race. Yep, more than three quarters race distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, Jaymo said: Yep, more than three quarters race distance. And then restart. Unfortunately, by chance Sky sports had asked Masi before the race had even started would they red flag if there was a crash at that corner and he'd already committed to only using double yellows and then a safety car. More mistakes made there. He could have given a safe answer and said 'oh well it depends on the crash and the damage' but nope, he chose to fly the flag and now it looks like a proper spanner's move! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just checked my phone and I actually posted RED FLAG! at 14:22 this afternoon. What a complete shambles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 Hello, there all trying to make a statement just like footballers and celebrities , New year gongs ??, The nearest I got to watching motor racing was picnics on Trundle hill about 5 years old 🤔😁, anyone guess what racing circuit ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 3 very disappointed boys here, supporting England and thought we had won. I’ve nothing against the result, that’s just racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 BREAKING NEWS Result stands, Max is champ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted December 12, 2021 Report Share Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: How long till Michael Masi announces he is standing down? Not sure who’s first him or borris - neither can follow the F’in rules. feel for merc they worked to the rule book. But F1s new bosses decided that the don’t follow rules . Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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