Rewulf Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, ordnance said: I am taking in what you are saying, basically if a country can't guarantee a victory they should not fight and surrender Obviously not, where did I say that? 1 hour ago, ordnance said: you seem to be saying they shouldn't have bothered and surrendered the UK to the Nazis to avoid civilian deaths and destruction Or that? I said if they got across the channel and made a decent bridgehead, we would have lost eventually, the Germans had battle hardened troops, better equipment, and better strategy. They took France in 6 weeks, with less men than the combined UK /French armies, yes they put up a fight, but they saw they would lose a lot more men, and infrastructure. When they capitulated, the army, millions strong, was largely intact. Ukraine is putting up a damn good fight, they are obviously losing men an equipment, despite the propaganda put out that says they have more tanks now than when they started! The fact is, they had already lost Donbass and Crimea, now they are going to lose more territory, possibly half the country, and the rest wrecked for years. Yes, they can hold their heads up and say they stood up to Putin, but now they have even more hostile neighbours, and rubble for a country. It didn't have to be like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 27, 2022 Report Share Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) Quote It didn't have to be like that. How's that ? Quote I said if they got across the channel and made a decent bridgehead, we would have lost eventually, the Germans had battle hardened troops, better equipment, and better strategy. And if that happened should the UK have surrendered without a fight ? Edited March 27, 2022 by ordnance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 13 hours ago, ordnance said: How's that ? Maybe enter in to some sort of negotiation, instead of butting heads with putin , and telling everyone my big buddy NATO will protect us . Asking for no fly zones , tanks and boots on the ground is direct escalation, is that the best course of action ? 13 hours ago, ordnance said: And if that happened should the UK have surrendered without a fight ? Should , or would ? The armed forces would have stood and fought, maybe they would have had some luck and forced them back, but even then , British army mentality was for pitched large scale battles, the sort of thing the nazis did very well at , with good use of armour. It worked in Poland , France , Holland and Belgium, who all fell in weeks, why would the UK be any different ? Tougher to crack yes, but once the army and air force were gone , 'NEVER SURRENDER!' Churchill, would have surrendered. What then, the people carry on and fight with pitchforks and shotguns ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 13 hours ago, ordnance said: How's that ? Also , something like this , announced today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) One for the family scrapbook; who must be so proud. The Three Egos. Edited March 28, 2022 by Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 Just seen Putin has been poisoning the negotiation team. Noting says negotiation quite like a drop of poison eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, Mungler said: Just seen Putin has been poisoning the negotiation team. Noting says negotiation quite like a drop of poison eh? "Ere.... does that smell like polonium to you?" I heard Mr Abramovich....if that's spelled correctly... was one of those who may have had a wee sip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 36 minutes ago, Mungler said: Just seen Putin has been poisoning the negotiation team. Noting says negotiation quite like a drop of poison eh? been eating cadbury's nobby-choccy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Scully said: One for the family scrapbook; who must be so proud. The Three Egos. what a nest of Vipers ,three of the most vile men alive ,all of them have killed innocent civilians just to feed their own egos ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, derbyduck said: what a nest of Vipers ,three of the most vile men alive ,all of them have killed innocent civilians just to feed their own egos ! I thought other one was bono 😂 Wasn't aware of him killing anyone, murdered a few songs on his time though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 49 minutes ago, Rewulf said: I thought other one was bono 😂 Wasn't aware of him killing anyone, murdered a few songs on his time though.... You’re right, It is Bonio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted March 28, 2022 Report Share Posted March 28, 2022 Why did I have to read this just vefor bed, last thing I needed to see was Blair's face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 10 hours ago, Rewulf said: I thought other one was bono 😂 Wasn't aware of him killing anyone, murdered a few songs on his time though.... Perhaps your right , at my age its difficult to recognise a bono ,its usually cramp and in the words of Meatloaf ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 16 hours ago, Scully said: One for the family scrapbook; who must be so proud. The Three Egos. who is the one on the left ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, ditchman said: who is the one on the left ? Bono. U2 lead singer and general ‘banker’. He’s responsible for single handedly feeding the world and ending poverty, or so he seems to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Scully said: Bono. U2 lead singer and general ‘banker’. He’s responsible for single handedly feeding the world and ending poverty, or so he seems to believe. what the hell was bono doing there ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, ditchman said: what the hell was bono doing there ? Self promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 Hello, where and when was the photo taken?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 Hello, just heard that President Macron is going to have a word with Putin , ?? Should be interesting to hear what been said on that one ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 minute ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, just heard that President Macron is going to have a word with Putin , ?? Should be interesting to hear what been said on that one ?? I think he’s been having several conversations all the way through. Trying to play the voice of reason/save his skin at home. General consensus is that Putin has been ‘mugging him off’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, where and when was the photo taken?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Thanks👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 In full: What Russia's deputy defence minister said Here's a translation of the comments made by Russia's Alexander Fomin, who's part of the negotiating team in Istanbul. Quote Message: Due to the fact that negotiations over an agreement on Ukraine’s neutrality and non-nuclear status and security guarantees (for Ukraine) are moving into a practical stage, and taking into consideration the principles discussed during today’s meeting, the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation has taken the decision to drastically reduce combat operations in the Kyiv and Chernihiv areas in order to boost mutual trust and create the necessary conditions for further negotiations and for the signing of the aforementioned agreement. from Alexander Fomin Russia's Deputy Defence Minister Due to the fact that negotiations over an agreement on Ukraine’s neutrality and non-nuclear status and security guarantees (for Ukraine) are moving into a practical stage, and taking into consideration the principles discussed during today’s meeting, the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation has taken the decision to drastically reduce combat operations in the Kyiv and Chernihiv areas in order to boost mutual trust and create the necessary conditions for further negotiations and for the signing of the aforementioned agreement. Alexander Fomin Russia's Deputy Defence Minister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 🤞 Let’s hope so. Difficult to trust this department when they also said they weren’t going to invade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 29, 2022 Report Share Posted March 29, 2022 25 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: 🤞 Let’s hope so. Difficult to trust this department when they also said they weren’t going to invade. They didn't invade, it is a specialist military operation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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