Putin announces 'military operation' in Ukraine.

[clangerman]

32 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

The video is 'collateral murder' and was part of the wiki leaks dossier, Assange has been public enemy no 1 in the US  government ever since. 

I’m glad someone is honest enough to admit what it clearly shows good on you 

[ditchman]

3 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I'm not saying anything isn't as it seems , but I am interested to know how 2 , 6.4 metre cruise missile s , weighing 2 metric tonnes each, with half a tonne of explosive payload , which Russia stopped using 15 years ago (but Ukraine has 100s of) caused a 2 ft wide crater , no scorch marks , and left 2 benches within a metre of its 'detonation ' unscathed, the other one left no crater at all , but set fire to 3 cars ?

Oh and the tail section of one of them , despite being engulfed in flames for its journey , but landed delicately on some barely marked  grass , despite the missile bodies mangled appearance , has some perfectly daubed intact message on the side ?

i have seen several ........shall we say "inconsistances"..........it would be professional if the journalist would explain what excactly they are filming,.(the throuble is they dont know what they are looking at)......not just pointing a camera and reporting suposion...not fact..........reporting like this can lead to loss of life..............so they should be more responsible.........but when most jounalists are a cross between "a know all..a **** all and a dead rat ".......what do we expect...

[ordnance]

24 minutes ago, clangerman said:

I’m glad someone is honest enough to admit what it clearly shows good on you 

There was that incident it was wrong just like targeting civilian's in Ukraine is wrong, what's your point ?

18 minutes ago, ditchman said:

i have seen several ........shall we say "inconsistances"..........it would be professional if the journalist would explain what excactly they are filming,.(the throuble is they dont know what they are looking at)......not just pointing a camera and reporting suposion...not fact..........reporting like this can lead to loss of life..............so they should be more responsible.........but when most jounalists are a cross between "a know all..a **** all and a dead rat ".......what do we expect...

Do you expect the journalist's to be missile experts, yes they film what they see on the ground others / experts can make judgments on the types etc of the munitions. 

Edited April 9, 2022 by ordnance

[ordnance]

4 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I'm not saying anything isn't as it seems , but I am interested to know how 2 , 6.4 metre cruise missile s , weighing 2 metric tonnes each, with half a tonne of explosive payload , which Russia stopped using 15 years ago (but Ukraine has 100s of) caused a 2 ft wide crater , no scorch marks , and left 2 benches within a metre of its 'detonation ' unscathed, the other one left no crater at all , but set fire to 3 cars ?

Oh and the tail section of one of them , despite being engulfed in flames for its journey , but landed delicately on some barely marked  grass , despite the missile bodies mangled appearance , has some perfectly daubed intact message on the side ?

 

Over the past few years, Russia has gradually switched the Tochkas in its rocket brigades for newer Iskanders. The 47th brigade was the last to do so, and evidence suggests it has used Tochka missiles during the siege of Mariupol in Eastern Ukraine.

Edited April 9, 2022 by ordnance

[ordnance]

 

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Rewulf I'm aware that that particular missile can use a cluster warhead, there appears to be little evidence of that being the case here.

Quote Russia is now using older Tochka-U missile launchers against Ukraine, as seen in Desnyanka, 40 km from the border with Belarus. Videos and photos show a tell-tale 9M79M booster familiar from Syria and Karabakh. ( It typically remains intact when a cluster warhead is used.P)

 

Edited April 9, 2022 by ordnance

[holloway]

8 hours ago, clangerman said:

no difference from the yanks many war crimes they were caught on camera no less machine gunning innocent civilians in Iraq and their trial starts when? 

So what’s your point ? If you have one .

[Rewulf]

8 hours ago, ordnance said:

 

Over the past few years, Russia has gradually switched the Tochkas in its rocket brigades for newer Iskanders. The 47th brigade was the last to do so, and evidence suggests it has used Tochka missiles during the siege of Mariupol in Eastern Ukraine.

https://hourlyhits.com/2022/03/18/ukraine-accused-of-firing-a-tochka-u-missile/

https://www.wionews.com/photos/ukraines-tochka-u-missile-can-it-stop-russian-attack-462852/amp

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, so what are these rockets Boris has promised Ukraine that will I presume to shoot the Russian war ships ?

Edited April 10, 2022 by oldypigeonpopper

[TIGHTCHOKE]

So far the PM has offered anti aircraft missiles and further anti tank missiles.

It would appear that we have offered Harpoons, an old American anti ship missile that can be surface, sub surface or air launched.

Edited April 10, 2022 by TIGHTCHOKE
Additional information.

[toontastic]

18 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, well the killing of 50 Ukrainian citizens including children and wounding many more waiting at the train station must must go down as a war crime , but still Putin's regime state, not us your honour !!!, so why are all those countries including scared to defend against Putin ??

How far would you like to see the west go in defending Ukraine. 

[Dave-G]

I'm wondering why there are a load of luggage items (in clusters without their owners) at the supposedly 50 dead train station with no burn marks, burnt cars and infrastructure or missile craters in sight.

Edited April 10, 2022 by Dave-G

[oldypigeonpopper]

41 minutes ago, toontastic said:

How far would you like to see the west go in defending Ukraine. 

Hello, i think if all the western powers had stood up with Ukraine against Putin he would not have invaded in the first place, maybe a no fly zone, but each brings the possibility that Putin would not consider that and still gone ahead with the invasion, looking at his course of action now as speculated by some the area of Ukraine known as the Donbass region is his only hope of gaining more territory for the Russian federation but at what cost to Ukrainian citizens and strategic ports on the black sea coast 

[ditchman]

11 hours ago, ordnance said:

 

Quote Russia is now using older Tochka-U missile launchers against Ukraine, as seen in Desnyanka, 40 km from the border with Belarus. Videos and photos show a tell-tale 9M79M booster familiar from Syria and Karabakh. ( It typically remains intact when a cluster warhead is used.P)

 

interesting .........information like the above should accompany these carera peices...so as to avoid confusion..

[Scully]

2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, i think if all the western powers had stood up with Ukraine against Putin he would not have invaded in the first place, maybe a no fly zone, but each brings the possibility that Putin would not consider that and still gone ahead with the invasion, looking at his course of action now as speculated by some the area of Ukraine known as the Donbass region is his only hope of gaining more territory for the Russian federation but at what cost to Ukrainian citizens and strategic ports on the black sea coast 

Again, with respect, if you introduce a no fly zone then you are obliged to enforce it. Do you really want us to go to war with Russia? 

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

Again, with respect, if you introduce a no fly zone then you are obliged to enforce it. Do you really want us to go to war with Russia? 

 

Hello, would that might be a possibility but if all countries in NATO stood by a no fly zone with their air forces would Putin back down ?, is it worth considering ?, now the Russian forces have retreated the Ukrainian police have started the task of finding more dead bodies , most the elderly in their small village homes who could not leave , surly something must be done to stop Putin ??

[Dave-G]

6 minutes ago, Scully said:

Again, with respect, if you introduce a no fly zone then you are obliged to enforce it. Do you really want us to go to war with Russia? 

 

I suspect If other countries or NATO essentially join forces with Ukraine other countries will join forces with Russia - some might think nothing of WW3 but I'd rather my two sons and five grandsons don't have to get called up for that, especially considering some of the faked videos and corruption that has been seen done by Ukraine and USA.

Lets not overlook the war that Ukraine has been waging at the disputed donbass region. There are war mongers on both side IMO.

[Scully]

6 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, would that might be a possibility but if all countries in NATO stood by a no fly zone with their air forces would Putin back down ?, is it worth considering ?, now the Russian forces have retreated the Ukrainian police have started the task of finding more dead bodies , most the elderly in their small village homes who could not leave , surly something must be done to stop Putin ??

What about China throwing in with Russia, and N.Korea? I doubt it would happen, but why risk it?
Why is everyone so ready to go to war with Russia over Ukraine when they had no interest to do likewise over Syria, where the civilian casualties are on an even greater scale? 

[toontastic]

51 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, would that might be a possibility but if all countries in NATO stood by a no fly zone with their air forces would Putin back down ?, is it worth considering ?, now the Russian forces have retreated the Ukrainian police have started the task of finding more dead bodies , most the elderly in their small village homes who could not leave , surly something must be done to stop Putin ??

You will no doubt have many relatives aged between say 18 - 55 how many are you prepared to sacrifice for the cause. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 minute ago, toontastic said:

You will no doubt have many relatives aged between say 18 - 55 how many are you prepared to sacrifice for the cause. 

Hello, as happens I do not but hear what your saying, 

46 minutes ago, Scully said:

What about China throwing in with Russia, and N.Korea? I doubt it would happen, but why risk it?
Why is everyone so ready to go to war with Russia over Ukraine when they had no interest to do likewise over Syria, where the civilian casualties are on an even greater scale? 

Hello, I can see your point of view 🤔

[bostonmick]

1 hour ago, toontastic said:

You will no doubt have many relatives aged between say 18 - 55 how many are you prepared to sacrifice for the cause. 

that depends on the cause and obviously what actions are taken by a madman next.if he starts destroying other countries at will do you just sit back and make speeches

[Dave-G]

27 minutes ago, bostonmick said:

that depends on the cause and obviously what actions are taken by a madman next.if he starts destroying other countries at will do you just sit back and make speeches

IF is a different thread.... should we sacrifice millions of our fighting age men just in case of IF?

Edited April 10, 2022 by Dave-G

[ordnance]

8 hours ago, Rewulf said:

https://hourlyhits.com/2022/03/18/ukraine-accused-of-firing-a-tochka-u-missile/

https://www.wionews.com/photos/ukraines-tochka-u-missile-can-it-stop-russian-attack-462852/amp

Your source is RT, LOL.

[bostonmick]

42 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

IF is a different thread.... should we sacrifice millions of our fighting age men just in case of IF?

no i never said ifs.but if he moved on from ukraine how much do you stand and watch .i would not want another war.the west has put some futile sanctions in place but there are enough countries out there that will support putin in many ways and join him.he is at the moment taking big losses but has not stopped him threatening to destroy finland if they do not give up their aspirations to join nato how many others is he going to dictate to and just be left to run with it. i have to ask if the people of russia were given the facts how many would support his actions certainly not the mothers of those who have fallen for his ambitions.

[ditchman]

3 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, would that might be a possibility but if all countries in NATO stood by a no fly zone with their air forces would Putin back down ?, is it worth considering ?, now the Russian forces have retreated the Ukrainian police have started the task of finding more dead bodies , most the elderly in their small village homes who could not leave , surly something must be done to stop Putin ??

when you back a rat into a corner it is at its most dangerous........putin WILL use nukes and bio weapons if forced...what the west needs to do is to force him into a position where he can back away with some sort of reputation left

[Dave-G]

16 minutes ago, bostonmick said:

no i never said ifs.but if he moved on from ukraine how much do you stand and watch .i would not want another war.the west has put some futile sanctions in place but there are enough countries out there that will support putin in many ways and join him.he is at the moment taking big losses but has not stopped him threatening to destroy finland if they do not give up their aspirations to join nato how many others is he going to dictate to and just be left to run with it. i have to ask if the people of russia were given the facts how many would support his actions certainly not the mothers of those who have fallen for his ambitions.

NATO isn't going to accept any country under threat, nor should it IMO. If a country had enough defence capability and willingness to share an alliance with NATO member countries they might have been accepted some time ago.

But to be fair the whole of Europe had dropped its guard believing the bear had become civilised.