oooohhhh didnt expect that result.....

[ditchman]

well well well........the court has ruled that the exporting of migrants to Rwanda can go ahead next week..........it also has agreed to allow the "Dingy folk" leave to appeal............so its all in speed street now..........

there will proberly be loads of left wing luvvies throw themselves on the tarmac in front of the plane......(they can take them an all)

[TIGHTCHOKE]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/8/uk-rwanda-deportation-refugees

[Walker570]

It really ain't over till the tyres hit the tarmac in Rwanda but that is a step forward as long as they now don't go two paces back. 

How many plane loads are there and are we going to see all those in hotels going AWOL. We have a hotel 4 miles away packed with them and they wander about freely.

[Westley]

IF the objectors feel so strongly about this, let them take them in and look after them at THEIR expense. Or let them go with them !

Edited June 10, 2022 by Westley

[snow white]

Wrestley very true I totally agree with you on this 

[Minky]

1 hour ago, Walker570 said:

It really ain't over till the tyres hit the tarmac in Rwanda but that is a step forward as long as they now don't go two paces back. 

How many plane loads are there and are we going to see all those in hotels going AWOL. We have a hotel 4 miles away packed with them and they wander about freely.

One of the son in laws worked on returning the unwanted to ANOTHER place.  Families had to have days of notice of their collection.   Sometimes a team for the collection would a assemble at Gatwick and travell by air or coach all the way up to somewhere in Scotland . They would overnight in a Hotel somewhere and then go to collect the family... BUT when they got there the cupboard was bare and the family had melted into the community.   The team would then all come back to Gatwick and go home.  ....  From this experiment we find that money doesn't  exist.  It's all posturing and show. 

[Bigbob]

first six flights then I wonder if the boat. Traffic will stop lol 

[JohnfromUK]

3 hours ago, Bigbob said:

first six flights then I wonder if the boat. Traffic will stop lol 

It won't stop. 

1. The appeal may be successful
2. Even if the appeal fails and it actually happens (although some progress has been made, there is a long way to go yet, the lawyers won't give up, they are being paid, and the 'leave to appeal' has just given them another pay cheque) it is known as only intended for single persons, no children, not families.
3. Many are families (or will pretend to be)
4. Traffickers are making big money, and will still persuade migrants the risks are low
5. The risk of death by drowning didn't put them off, why should the risk of being flown to Ruanda?
6. It was only forecast to apply to a small percentage of those coming even if it could work
7. Every case will be taken up by lawyers, and the delays will build up as will the costs

Put simply, too many have BIG financial incentives for it not to happen.

 

 

[Vince Green]

It has to succeed

They have to send out the message that jumping in a boat is not going to work

because at the moment it IS working. Once they land on British soil very few (virtually none) ever get sent back

Its all about the message 

[Vince Green]

11 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/8/uk-rwanda-deportation-refugees

Thats alljazeera's version of the story. Hardly a neutral observer in all this, but if I was really fleeing a war I would be glad to go anywhere that people are not shooting at me. 

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Its all about the message

I agree - but there will also be a message from traffickers;

1. You are very unlikely to be sent to Ruanda
2. Lawyers will help you stay in UK (for free)
3. If you are a 'family' then you will not even be considered for Ruanda (this has the potential to get children even more dragged in to the scams)

There are far too many big organised crime players operating in France (and further afield) who will not give up on this and the 'refugees/migrants' are easily talked into these things.  My puzzle is how that have so much money to be attractive to crime players?  Where does it come from IF they are coming from countries where they are being persecuted and from which they have to seek 'refuge'? 

[Vince Green]

1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

  My puzzle is how that have so much money to be attractive to crime players?  Where does it come from IF they are coming from countries where they are being persecuted and from which they have to seek 'refuge'? 

Thats the whole point. It becomes almost self cancelling. The true refugees cant afford to get out and are stuck in refugee camps on the Syrian border or where ever

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Vince Green said:

Thats the whole point. It becomes almost self cancelling. The true refugees cant afford to get out and are stuck in refugee camps on the Syrian border or where ever

The real long term answer lies in taking the 'profit' out of the 'crime' - and I have no idea how you do that?

[Newbie to this]

1 hour ago, Vince Green said:

but if I was really fleeing a war I would be glad to go anywhere that people are not shooting at me. 

This ^^^

[simonm]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

It won't stop. 

1. The appeal may be successful
2. Even if the appeal fails and it actually happens (although some progress has been made, there is a long way to go yet, the lawyers won't give up, they are being paid, and the 'leave to appeal' has just given them another pay cheque) it is known as only intended for single persons, no children, not families.
3. Many are families (or will pretend to be)
4. Traffickers are making big money, and will still persuade migrants the risks are low
5. The risk of death by drowning didn't put them off, why should the risk of being flown to Ruanda?
6. It was only forecast to apply to a small percentage of those coming even if it could work
7. Every case will be taken up by lawyers, and the delays will build up as will the costs

Put simply, too many have BIG financial incentives for it not to happen.

 

 

Point 7 - exactly, as usual the only winners will be the lawyers. 

[scouser]

Instead of sending them to some far off place, spend the money on some patrol boats to turn them around in the channel.  ( if only it was that simple)

[Vince Green]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

The real long term answer lies in taking the 'profit' out of the 'crime' - and I have no idea how you do that?

This is why the Rwanda scheme is so potentially good. At the moment the migrants know that if they can just manage to set foot on British soil then its 99% certain they will end up staying.  Its hard to repatriate somebody who has no paperwork and the lawyers just keep lodging appeal after appeal,

During all that time they have to be fed and housed by law.

Introduce even a low level of doubt and they will have to consider their options a lot more carefully. It no longer becomes an open goal

[Dave-G]

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

I agree - but there will also be a message from traffickers;

1. You are very unlikely to be sent to Ruanda
2. Lawyers will help you stay in UK (for free)
3. If you are a 'family' then you will not even be considered for Ruanda (this has the potential to get children even more dragged in to the scams)

There are far too many big organised crime players operating in France (and further afield) who will not give up on this and the 'refugees/migrants' are easily talked into these things.  My puzzle is how that have so much money to be attractive to crime players?  Where does it come from IF they are coming from countries where they are being persecuted and from which they have to seek 'refuge'? 

I'm not convinced about gangmasters being mainly to blame. I suspect its more likely some well kept payback enabling by the French or the EU to try to show Brexit isn't working as those who voted for it hoped and that Boris has fudged it.

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

20 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

I'm not convinced about gangmasters being mainly to blame. I suspect its more likely some well kept payback enabling by the French or the EU to try to show Brexit isn't working as those who voted for it hoped and that Boris has fudged it.

 

Hello, while there's money to be made you will get the criminals helping the boat people but there's a case that the French government and French police do not care or do much to stop this from their side of the channel, 

32 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

This is why the Rwanda scheme is so potentially good. At the moment the migrants know that if they can just manage to set foot on British soil then its 99% certain they will end up staying.  Its hard to repatriate somebody who has no paperwork and the lawyers just keep lodging appeal after appeal,

During all that time they have to be fed and housed by law.

Introduce even a low level of doubt and they will have to consider their options a lot more carefully. It no longer becomes an open goal

Hello, the Lawyers are making millions of £s from legal aid 

[Vince Green]

10 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

 

Hello, the Lawyers are making millions of £s from legal aid 

Yes they are part of the problem, they are just milking the system with no concern for anybody but themselves

[TIGHTCHOKE]

2 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Yes they are part of the problem, they are just milking the system with no concern for anybody but themselves

Just like many of our politicians!  

[ditchman]

as the law stands....if a bunch of "chaps" ..were in france parading the beaches and when they saw the inflatables be blown up...they would nip over and slash them.....who would stop them eh.....the dingy people have no rights ? eh ?

[JohnfromUK]

1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, the Lawyers are making millions of £s from legal aid 

An article about the law firms involved here  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10905467/The-piously-lefty-cabal-fought-hard-ground-migrant-jet-bound-Rwanda.html

Note that one firm was where Mrs Blair used to be - and another where Starmer used to be - plus another owned by the "King of Legal Aid" (Amarpal Singh Gupta).  And as always - the 'charities' who seem to be under investigation by the Charities Commission, the Unions, and Rayner and Lamy seem to be mixed in as well.

[Dave-G]

10 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

An article about the law firms involved here  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10905467/The-piously-lefty-cabal-fought-hard-ground-migrant-jet-bound-Rwanda.html

Note that one firm was where Mrs Blair used to be - and another where Starmer used to be - plus another owned by the "King of Legal Aid" (Amarpal Singh Gupta).  And as always - the 'charities' who seem to be under investigation by the Charities Commission, the Unions, and Rayner and Lamy seem to be mixed in as well.

That doesn't surprise me one bit.

[clangerman]

while we blame legal weasels french Uncle Tom cobbly and anyone else bar the culprit gump it might sink in those we do ship IF any won’t match the amount streaming up the beaches and that’s just the ones we admit get in