shawn9914 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 I have just been informed by a friend of mine that his friend and farmer was killed yesterday whilst in the field at night calving a cow. He was shot by his friend who mistook him for a fox he died at tge scene, this is awful and thoughts go out to all involved and his family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Terrible news , tragic to all concerned R I P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 such a shame sorry to here this, R,I,P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Hello, Very tragic, but how does this play out, surely you can recognise a human and a fox at night , it is not the first time this has happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 15 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Very tragic, but how does this play out, surely you can recognise a human and a fox at night , it is not the first time this has happened that's absolutely shocking news and diabolical shooting ethics that were shown by the perpetrator. what happened to definitive identification of your target which is doubly important at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony3 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Tragic my thoughts go to the family rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 If true then that's tragic and really does highlight that they aren't toys and users shouldn't just be shooting at heat signatures without first being 100% of what they are shooting at. Better it gets away for next time than potentially losing it all and spending a few years behind bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Very tragic, but how does this play out, surely you can recognise a human and a fox at night , it is not the first time this has happened When everyone used a lamp too many idiots thought it was OK to shoot at eyes. Now I suppose those same people are shooting at heat signatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 (edited) I’m surprised this hasn’t been reported in the press, as a shooting accident normally warrants a couple of column inches. Edited January 31 by Flashman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Unbelievable! Tragic news, thoughts to all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Where do it say it was a Thermal scope that was used its besides the point if it was or wasn't identification is paramount Very sad indeed i shoot Thermal and i really can't see how you can mistake a human for anything but a human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 11 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: Where do it say it was a Thermal scope that was used its besides the point if it was or wasn't identification is paramount Very sad indeed i shoot Thermal and i really can't see how you can mistake a human for anything but a human Yep, a lot of it going on and hence the old safety poster - "Don't Assume CHECK". I would imagine that perhaps if the cow was down and the farmer down with it, there may well have been insufficient 'human' showing for a positive ID whatever illumination was in use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, wymberley said: Yep, a lot of it going on and hence the old safety poster - "Don't Assume CHECK". I would imagine that perhaps if the cow was down and the farmer down with it, there may well have been insufficient 'human' showing for a positive ID whatever illumination was in use. If you had a cow down calving you would have a massive heat sauce impossible to be mistaken for a small heat sauce like a fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 19 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: Where do it say it was a Thermal scope that was used its besides the point if it was or wasn't identification is paramount Very sad indeed i shoot Thermal and i really can't see how you can mistake a human for anything but a human It doesn't but you can assume as such with thermal and NV being modern tools of the trade. NV provides a pretty clear image of what your shooting at whereas one is more likely to misuse thermal, shoot through hedges, cover etc.. It's not difficult to envisage a scenario in which someone who has become complacent and has taken risks previously by shooting at heat signatures through hedges, reeds etc can mistake a partial signature of a person for that of a fox. More so that if the person thought they were on the path to be the hero that shot a fox as it was preying on a birthing calf. It just highlights the requirement for us to check ourselves every now and then and remind ourselves that rifles aren't playthings and there is no rewind button. Once that trigger is pulled there is no recalling that shot and there is no do-over. If you're able to shoot with the mindset that if you **** up then you're in for a lot of trouble and that it's always better to not take a questionable shot and be able to talk about the one that got away rather than talk of regret of pulling that trigger. But that can sometimes be lost in the heat of the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 As I said identifying any target is parromount but you won't misstake a cow for a fox if you are shooting through hedges you are not a safe shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 38 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: As I said identifying any target is parromount but you won't misstake a cow for a fox if you are shooting through hedges you are not a safe shot Agreed. I would have thought that the cow would have been readily identified and was thinking that a partially hidden human could have been mistaken for a fox after the afterbirth or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 R I P tragic news for all involved Now the **** will hit the fan for the rest of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Terrible and deeply painful for all concerned. Can’t imagine any anti shooting backlash - just a very tragic mistake. I hope it serves to reinforce better standards of safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossy 666 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 This was on one of my permissions. Can I ask people to not speculate on what happened please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 45 minutes ago, crossy 666 said: This was on one of my permissions. Can I ask people to not speculate on what happened please. too late for that pal. AND no matter which way it's painted the guano is going to hit the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 48 minutes ago, crossy 666 said: This was on one of my permissions. Can I ask people to not speculate on what happened please. Agreed , until we know all the facts , let's just leave it as a tragic accident as it will be leaving a lot of people grieving about this sad loss . MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 50 minutes ago, crossy 666 said: This was on one of my permissions. Can I ask people to not speculate on what happened please. Was you there or is it that there is multiple shooters on this permission if you was there you have got a better understanding of this incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, crossy 666 said: This was on one of my permissions. Can I ask people to not speculate on what happened please. So sorry for you loss Crossy May he rest in peace and prayers for the family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 This is localish to me and after Nev /walker570 telling me yesterday I just felt so upset for both parties. The loss for the family is devastating and the thought of taking a fellow humans life is also devastating. I can’t imagine how the shooter feels . rip . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arley Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Thoughts go out to the farmers family RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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