RIOTS IN UK

[Mice!]

20 minutes ago, Wymondley said:

All of this would have been far more effective and gather more support if all the protests had stayed peacefu

The problem is it likely wouldn't. 

I agree the protests should be peaceful,  the police shouldn't be getting rocks thrown at them,  but the riots are making the news, I hadn't heard of the 100,000 peaceful demo in London, unless there's trouble then it can be ignored. 

The French farmers blocking roads with soil or manure have the right idea, no permanent damage but lots of disruption.

[johnphilip]

6 minutes ago, B686 said:

Hate to say it but peaceful protests seem to go un noticed. Like the one on the 27th of July . Did it even get a mention on the news?

Yes it was amazing to watch live on youtube people of all colours getting together  to celebrate  British values . Like tea in the park .

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Doormat said:

You would have a point, except the way kier has been seen to handle the recent riots, Muslim airport incident?? Muslims brandishing machetes in the streets? Yet any British person that voiced outrage is called far right racist thicko’s

 

P.S it’s nothing to do with skin colour, it’s the culture they are trying to force Britain to accept that is causing the anger, we are not a Muslim state, yet they are determined to have their say and not try to integrate. 
I really hope the riots increase and that the government realises the imbalance they have created. 

 

What Kier and other politicians have or haven't done is on them and the people who voted for them, it's not the fault of any demographic of people. 

I agree we have a percentage of individuals arriving in this country that don't share UK values, but you must remember the context, it is a small minority and therefore it is very important not to lump people together or it makes you no better than what you accuse Starmer of doing. 

10 minutes ago, Doormat said:

Protests only turn into riots due to frustration. You cannot blame protesters who are being constantly labelled thick white racists becoming annoyed. Can you imagine the uproar if the media said thick brown muslims?? Wow, they wouldn’t dare, but it’s fine to smear brits in their own country who’ve simply had enough.

I get your frustrations but anger breeds anger, no good will ever come from it. 

[Wymondley]

3 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I hadn't heard of the 100,000 peaceful demo in London

Perhaps you should change where you get your news from.

2 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

Yes it was amazing to watch live on youtube people of all colours getting together  to celebrate  British values . Like tea in the park .

And that, imo is what scares politicians the most as they can't write them off as far right thugs.

[Yellow Bear]

1 minute ago, Wymondley said:

Perhaps you should change where you get your news from.

And that, imo is what scares politicians the most as they can't write them off as far right thugs.

Which is why their pals in the MSM do not report it.

[Westley]

2 hours ago, ditchman said:

when i bend down now ..i stop and think "is there anything else i can do whilst im down here ".........

I would imagine that was dependent upon IF, there were any of them rainbow banners being waved   !  😄

[ditchman]

4 minutes ago, Westley said:

I would imagine that was dependent upon IF, there were any of them rainbow banners being waved   !  😄

actually i was thinking more along the lines of seeing if there was anything else to pick up on the floor that i may have missed previously

i was not thinking of something sexual....

[sportsbob]

40 minutes ago, Mice! said:

The problem is it likely wouldn't. 

I agree the protests should be peaceful,  the police shouldn't be getting rocks thrown at them,  but the riots are making the news, I hadn't heard of the 100,000 peaceful demo in London, unless there's trouble then it can be ignored. 

The French farmers blocking roads with soil or manure have the right idea, no permanent damage but lots of disruption.

This documentary was shown live in London at the demo, the timing of its release with the events a few days prior and a few days since certainly accelerated the current events we are seeing

https://rumble.com/v2wcwpc-silenced-a-tommy-robinson-documentary.html

[JohnfromUK]

In a mildly related matter, Shamima Begum's lawyer is to have another attempt to get he UK citizenship back. She has appealed to all of the UK courts and was turned down with no further UK appeals to be allowed.  She is apparently now to go to the European Court of Human Rights. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13718625/Shamima-Begum-loses-final-court-challenge.html

Interesting to see how the new (lefty lawyer led) Labour Gov't handles this should the European Court come down in her favour.

 

[udderlyoffroad]

On 06/08/2024 at 15:14, Raja Clavata said:

Oh dear.

Oh dear indeed.

It's just over 24h later and Starmer et al are still in complete denial, Mark Rowley is in denial, and they're rushing people through the courts (opening themselves up to appeals).  At this point it would appear <insert your favourite love-to-hate figure on the right> is capable of more introspection than Starmer.

Honestly I'm not really sure what 'oh dear' means in this context, but having re-read my post, I can find no factual  inaccuracies in it, 24h later.  Other than perhaps my statement that 'the jig is up (for Starmer)' was premature.  It is up though, he's lost any semblance of respect, and the 20% of the electorate who put him in power a few short weeks ago won't make that mistake again, if they get the chance.

 

33 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I get your frustrations but anger breeds anger, no good will ever come from it. 

Agreed, but horse/stable door/bolted springs to mind.  Might as well be angry at this point, not to the point of rioting, or frankly doing anything to jeopardise your SGC/FAC.

10 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Interesting to see how the new (lefty lawyer led) Labour Gov't handles this should the European Court come down in her favour.

They will come down in her favour, the UK government attempted to make her stateless. We'd be condemning third world dictators for doing the same.

Difference is, the UK abides by ECHR rulings, every other nation in the world ignores them if not convenient.

[oldypigeonpopper]

3 hours ago, Mice! said:

 

Why do people think that kids don't go outside? I'm not saying they aren't looking at stuff online and gaming,  but kids still go out, at least mine do and their friends?

Hello, They still do as i see many having fun down the river with their mates , 2 were magnet fishing and pulled out an old bike 😀

[B686]

45 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

In a mildly related matter, Shamima Begum's lawyer is to have another attempt to get he UK citizenship back. She has appealed to all of the UK courts and was turned down with no further UK appeals to be allowed.  She is apparently now to go to the European Court of Human Rights. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13718625/Shamima-Begum-loses-final-court-challenge.html

Interesting to see how the new (lefty lawyer led) Labour Gov't handles this should the European Court come down in her favour.

 

She will probably be let back , given a house and a pat on the back . Shame she is’nd dead like he mates she went with be one less scrounger to pay for. Nothing but a rancid skank .

Edited August 7 by B686

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Wymondley said:

Perhaps you should change where you get your news from.

I don't tend to bother, I certainly don't go looking for bad news, most of the time I'm happily unaffected by things, I've said in the past that London and down south is like another country. 

Unfortunately moving the illegal immigrants all over the country is spreading the problems, and there are some events that you simply cannot ignore,  Southport being the latest one.

35 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, They still do as i see many having fun down the river with their mates , 2 were magnet fishing and pulled out an old bike 😀

Great stuff 👍👍

My kids and mates came home yesterday,  can we have rope for a swing, crack on kids 😁

[ShootingEgg]

56 minutes ago, B686 said:

She will probably be let back , given a house and a pat on the back . Shame she is’nd dead like he mates she went with be one less scrounger to pay for. Nothing but a rancid skank .

Shamima Begum will not be allowed to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court, judges have ruled.

[B686]

6 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

Shamima Begum will not be allowed to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court, judges have ruled.

🥳 Great news then

[JohnfromUK]

5 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

Shamima Begum will not be allowed to challenge the removal of her British citizenship at the Supreme Court, judges have ruled.

No, she's now going to the European Court of Human Rights

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13718625/Shamima-Begum-loses-final-court-challenge.html

Without prejudging the ECHR verdict, will the UK accept that verdict?  If so - we may have to take her back.

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

No, she's now going to the European Court of Human Rights

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13718625/Shamima-Begum-loses-final-court-challenge.html

Without prejudging the ECHR verdict, will the UK accept that verdict?  If so - we may have to take her back.

I wonder just who is paying?

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I wonder just who is paying?

Comments in the article said "legal Aid", but she isn't (at present) a UK citizen.  However other non-UK citizens can get legal aid in seeking asylum, so I presume legal aid can be paid to non UK citizens?  Don't know id the correct answer.

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said:

 

 

Agreed, but horse/stable door/bolted springs to mind.  Might as well be angry at this point, not to the point of rioting, or frankly doing anything to jeopardise your SGC/FAC.

 

I made that statement in relation to being angry at an entire group of people based on their race or religion rather than the few bad apples within those communities. Which I'm sure we'll both agree is plain wrong. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

I suspected it would be the case.

CRAZY.

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I suspected it would be the case.

CRAZY.

Yes, I suspected, but don't know for certain.  As you say, crazy.  I posted here because it is alleged that immigration lawyers are considered at risk in the present unrest - as their role is seen as acting against the (rather limp) measures the UK Gov't (mainly previous Gov't) have been trying (Rwanda etc.).  The 'limpness' (in my view) is mainly due to the civil service not 'grasping the nettle' on Rwanda deportations.

[Rewulf]

33 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

No, she's now going to the European Court of Human Rights

Is it anywhere near a dinghy near Calais ?

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Rewulf said:

Is it anywhere near a dinghy near Calais ?

I assume it's in Brussels, where the sprouts come from.  Maybe the Hague?  Don't be vague, ask for Haig (an old whisky advert before such things were banned on TV)

[ShootingEgg]

1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said:

No, she's now going to the European Court of Human Rights

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13718625/Shamima-Begum-loses-final-court-challenge.html

Without prejudging the ECHR verdict, will the UK accept that verdict?  If so - we may have to take her back.

 

If our supreme court says no that should be the answer... She chose her path when she went to Marry an Isis member... 

Edited August 7 by ShootingEgg

[JohnfromUK]

11 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

If our supreme court says no that should be the answer... She chose her path when she went to Marry an Isis member... 

The question for Starmer (should the ECHR rule in her favour) will be do we defy/leave the ECHR ........ or comply?