ditchman Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 ok assad's syria has fallen to the rebels (2 or 3 different factions)..................Assad has scooted to either Iran or Russia.... QUESTION.......... who are these rebels ..are they hard line muslim....are they fundametalists.....are they anti west or pro west.............nothing on the news about what their alignment is ..........anyone know ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 Which ever they’re following, it’s further regional instability in an ever declining world and that can’t be good. Dictatorships may be undesirable in many peoples eyes and the suppression of its citizens, but for overall stability, then they did seem to offer something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 At the moment it's probably unclear. Even the rebels may not know how it'll pan out. If it's anything like Afghanistan, with tribalism, now the Syrian government has been defeated, they may start fighting amongst themselves for control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 seems to be a rearranging of the pieces on the board globally prior to a larger game being initiated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 Some of the groups have an ideology similar to the Taliban and reports out of Afghanistan say they are hoping Sharia will be implemented. Al Quaida affiliated groups are calling for the Jews and Crusaders (Christians) to be driven out of the region. Turkish backed groups have an agenda against the Kurds. Israeli aircraft have struck a chemical warfare factory to stop the rebels getting hold of weapons and on the border IDF troops have helped repel an attack on UN forces. The inaction of Hezbollah and other Iranian proxies shows how much they have been weakened, and Russias limited help shows how much Ukraine has damaged them militarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 4 minutes ago, toontastic said: Some of the groups have an ideology similar to the Taliban and reports out of Afghanistan say they are hoping Sharia will be implemented. Al Quaida affiliated groups are calling for the Jews and Crusaders (Christians) to be driven out of the region. Turkish backed groups have an agenda against the Kurds. Israeli aircraft have struck a chemical warfare factory to stop the rebels getting hold of weapons and on the border IDF troops have helped repel an attack on UN forces. The inaction of Hezbollah and other Iranian proxies shows how much they have been weakened, and Russias limited help shows how much Ukraine has damaged them militarily. Spot on. Either Russia wants refuge immigration to flood and destabilise Europe as part of a long term plan or Ukraine has bled Russia dry of resource and Russia can’t spare even a handful of planes. In the old days Assad just needed a few planes and some poison gas to keep control but now, they couldn’t even muster that. We really do need control of our borders and right now. Will that happen? Not a chance because we’ve left idiots in charge for too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 13 minutes ago, Mungler said: Spot on. Either Russia wants refuge immigration to flood and destabilise Europe as part of a long term plan or Ukraine has bled Russia dry of resource and Russia can’t spare even a handful of planes. In the old days Assad just needed a few planes and some poison gas to keep control but now, they couldn’t even muster that. We really do need control of our borders and right now. Will that happen? Not a chance because we’ve left idiots in charge for too long. Is the right answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 17 minutes ago, Mungler said: Spot on. Either Russia wants refuge immigration to flood and destabilise Europe as part of a long term plan or Ukraine has bled Russia dry of resource and Russia can’t spare even a handful of planes. In the old days Assad just needed a few planes and some poison gas to keep control but now, they couldn’t even muster that. We really do need control of our borders and right now. Will that happen? Not a chance because we’ve left idiots in charge for too long. Worryingly i dont think your far off from the truth and the future of this country, its very clear that nobody in position to look after this country has any foresight to see any further than their own front door. Very worrying specially as we see whats happening at ground level but nobody else has any iota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 There were reports that the soldiers were changing in to civilian clothes and heading for the border with Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 57 minutes ago, Mungler said: Spot on. Either Russia wants refuge immigration to flood and destabilise Europe as part of a long term plan or Ukraine has bled Russia dry of resource and Russia can’t spare even a handful of planes. In the old days Assad just needed a few planes and some poison gas to keep control but now, they couldn’t even muster that. We really do need control of our borders and right now. Will that happen? Not a chance because we’ve left idiots in charge for too long. Very sadly your last paragraph is far too close to the truth? 32 minutes ago, Dougy said: Worryingly i dont think your far off from the truth and the future of this country, its very clear that nobody in position to look after this country has any foresight to see any further than their own front door. Very worrying specially as we see whats happening at ground level but nobody else has any iota. Because maybe they either are really stupid or it's part of their master plan? 16 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: There were reports that the soldiers were changing in to civilian clothes and heading for the border with Iraq. Just more rubber boats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 15 minutes ago, old man said: Just more rubber boats? Why would they need rubber boats to get from Syria in to Iraq? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 2 hours ago, Jaymo said: Which ever they’re following, it’s further regional instability in an ever declining world and that can’t be good. Dictatorships may be undesirable in many peoples eyes and the suppression of its citizens, but for overall stability, then they did seem to offer something. Very true, we know Saddam was a nutter, but the region was largely ordered when he was in charge, he was the one killing his own people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 34 minutes ago, Mice! said: Very true, we know Saddam was a nutter, but the region was largely ordered when he was in charge, he was the one killing his own people. ALL dictators do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 8 Author Report Share Posted December 8 my feeling is that ISIS is somewhere in the background i certainly think there will be some vicous infighting ...before a postion is found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 10 minutes ago, ditchman said: my feeling is that ISIS is somewhere in the background i certainly think there will be some vicous infighting ...before a postion is found It’s another basket case of a failed state. We in the West still possess a total lack of understanding and project our western liberal ideologies; ‘oh look Assad has gone, they can all now have a general election and get a democratically elected system of government put in place’. Not a chance. It’s just more blood shed as the door opens for the next batsh*t crazy regime to rinse the country’s wealth and resources. As someone posted on here recently - it’s just a different foot in the boot that remains on the neck of Syrian people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 Things could come to a head here as we do not know how many are here or who they allign to and this is worrying and also for Europe amidst the economic turmoil immigration explosion from the Middle East entering borderless Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyefor Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 ...IIRC Assad worked in the UK for sometime (as a Dentist?) and wife is British. If he hasn't already got right of entry to the UK, he has a better chance of asylum than many arriving in small boats? He might be at Stansted already! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 11 minutes ago, armsid said: Things could come to a head here as we do not know how many are here or who they allign to and this is worrying and also for Europe amidst the economic turmoil immigration explosion from the Middle East entering borderless Europe This. And we don’t have to look back too far to see the effects of other failed Middle Eastern states (Iraq, Afghanistan etc) on Europe. If only we had a Time Machine to go back and stop Blair turning the whole Middle East upside down. I hope he had enjoyed wearing that Air Force One bomber jacket Bush gave him. 1 minute ago, Eyefor said: ...IIRC Assad worked in the UK for sometime (as a Dentist?) and wife is British. If he hasn't already got right of entry to the UK, he has a better chance of asylum than many arriving in small boats? He might be at Stansted already! That made me chuckle. He’s probably m been signing on the whole time he’s been president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 Apparently Assad's plane has come down......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 (edited) They seem to have possibly lost an aeroplane..........! Oops, snap! Edited December 8 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 What I find quite sad about it all was before the "Arab spring" or whatever it was called, Syria was actually quite a stable country with a very high level of adult literacy. Then some groups thought they could get the west to come in and route the presidency for them. Now the country could be doomed with all these rival factions. Be careful what you wish for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 "The speculation grew intense on social media after open-source flight trackers revealed that the last plane to leave Damascus was an Illyushin-76 aircraft, flight number Syrian Air 9218, which is believed to have been carrying Assad." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 Lets hope whatever floats to the top of the rebels is at least half reasonable. It could result in some Syrians wanting to return once the dust settles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Why would they need rubber boats to get from Syria in to Iraq? Just thinking of the ultimate friendly well provisioned location? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 2 hours ago, oowee said: Lets hope whatever floats to the top of the rebels is at least half reasonable. It could result in some Syrians wanting to return once the dust settles. I very much doubt that, it'll be the same as everywhere else, chaos, murder and bad news, why would anyone go back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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