Ukraine, Russia, UK and Europe?

[islandgun]

I have no beef with America or very much interest in the shifty lies of those who wish to rule the world and its finances. I would however like to know the truth, Trump appears to be siding with Putin to what end ? allies against possible threats from china or the middle east, or is it just business or land grabs and mineral rights, Whatever the answers you may depend that it wont be the old and bloated leaders that will suffer

As CSIS has reported before, “aid to Ukraine” is a misnomer because 90 percent of military aid is spent in the United States. Of aid overall, 60 percent is spent in the United States, about 25 percent is spent in Ukraine, and the final 15 percent is spent globally.

[clangerman]

19 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Most of the Ukraine Nationals in UK are working and paying Tax , This can not be said on the 1 million Illegal immigrants costing Tax payer millions of £s , And Labour have just announced more money for free legal aid to illegal immigrants which puts the money Ukraine national get into insignificance 

that’s not true or the child wouldn’t have been ordered to prioritise Ukrainian refugees for housing and if they are really fleeing a war zone why does she struggle with a follow up because they keep going back there or do war zones suddenly become safe once you get a free property! 

[old'un]

8 minutes ago, clangerman said:

that’s not true or the child wouldn’t have been ordered to prioritise Ukrainian refugees for housing and if they are really fleeing a war zone why does she struggle with a follow up because they keep going back there or do war zones suddenly become safe once you get a free property! 

most Ukrainians are here on temporary visa, it does not offer any permanent option to remain.

[mel b3]

1 hour ago, London Best said:

Hopefully, he will want the U.K. to be the 51st. State. 
It is likely our best chance for a future.

Very much this 👍.

36 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

Our enemies  are  within. , the  powers. That be. Let them here .

While our eyes are focused on abroad. We are been taken over .

A race of people. Who hate. Us. We are seeing it unfold on our streets. Most days. No fear they have. Something you see on YouTube videos is quite scary  shops been looted  while security  stands by not allowed to get involved   because they may hurt the little darling .

 

And , very much this 👍.

[Raja Clavata]

32 minutes ago, islandgun said:

As CSIS has reported before, “aid to Ukraine” is a misnomer because 90 percent of military aid is spent in the United States. Of aid overall, 60 percent is spent in the United States, about 25 percent is spent in Ukraine, and the final 15 percent is spent globally.

Well said. I have no beef with the US either but it's either naive or deliberately misleading to refer to the funding/aid/whatever to Ukraine as being free.

I believe this to be a reliable source of the figures from the US:

https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/#:~:text=Status of Funding,other%2C primarily humanitarian%2C purposes.

[old man]

1 hour ago, London Best said:

Hopefully, he will want the U.K. to be the 51st. State. 
It is likely our best chance for a future.

Sadly you could be on to something there?

[Dave-G]

I'm thinking UK has possibly 'bagged' a mineral percentage too.

[decoyman]

2 hours ago, semi-auto said:

Greenland, Canada, Gaza and now Ukraine. Who will Trump target next?

Us with a bit of luck, we may get to hold on to our guns.

[islandgun]

15 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

I'm thinking UK has possibly 'bagged' a mineral percentage too.

Do we have anything that might benefit Elon Musk because I think he will be the next potus😉

[JohnfromUK]

10 minutes ago, islandgun said:

I think he will be the next potus

I understand he isn't eligible because he was not born in the USA.

[islandgun]

2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I understand he isn't eligible because he was not born in the USA.

Cheers I wasnt aware of that fact, perhaps thats a good thing, although he does enjoy some power already..😉

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, islandgun said:

Cheers I wasnt aware of that fact, perhaps thats a good thing, although he does enjoy some power already..😉

https://www.usa.gov/requirements-for-presidential-candidates

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, islandgun said:

Do we have anything that might benefit Elon Musk because I think he will be the next potus😉

They’d have to change the constitution, he could however be U.K. prime minister (to go alongside his title as the supreme governor of free speech - that is free speech which does not negatively impact him).

If you’re interested in what free speech really means to Musk, take a look at the Tesla lawsuits in China. 

[NoBodyImportant]

4 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, That is all very well but how would you feel if you were an Ukraine National, Maybe family killed, Home destroyed, and your President given an Ultimatum, Minerals or no more help, So sit back and watch Russia wipe out a Nation and all its Citizens , If that happens it will not stop there, Putin will have other Countries in his Gun Sights, And the USA will still not get the Minerals

Well for one I would have put my foot down when the Ukrainian government started ethnic cleansing Donetsk and Luhansk.  I would have put my foot down when the Ukrainian government outlawed books written in russian.  The Ukrainians sent the Azov Nazis battalion to occupy Russian towns.  The ethnic Russians voted for independence as the Ukrainian constitution allows for and the Ukrainian government decided to kill entire towns with artillery.  Russia had to stop the slaughter because they begged the west to intervene and we did nothing.  

[oldypigeonpopper]

2 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Well for one I would have put my foot down when the Ukrainian government started ethnic cleansing Donetsk and Luhansk.  I would have put my foot down when the Ukrainian government outlawed books written in russian.  The Ukrainians sent the Azov Nazis battalion to occupy Russian towns.  The ethnic Russians voted for independence as the Ukrainian constitution allows for and the Ukrainian government decided to kill entire towns with artillery.  Russia had to stop the slaughter because they begged the west to intervene and we did nothing.  

Hello, While that maybe true it could have been settled by Diplomacy rather than Bombs and 1000s dead on both sides ,  Trump siding with Putin maybe he wants half of Russian Oil and Gas as well as Ukraine Minerals ?? 

Edited 22 hours ago by oldypigeonpopper

[islandgun]

2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, While that maybe true it could have been settled by Diplomacy rather than Bombs and 1000s dead on both sides ,  Trump siding with Putin maybe he wants half of Russian Oil and Gas as well as Ukraine Minerals ?? 

Indeed OPP. meanwhile trumps envoy speaks........I wonder for how long.

US envoy praises Zelenskyy after Trump's censure of the Ukrainian leader | AP News

[Rewulf]

24 minutes ago, islandgun said:

Indeed OPP. meanwhile trumps envoy speaks........I wonder for how long.

US envoy praises Zelenskyy after Trump's censure of the Ukrainian leader | AP News

Good cop - bad cop
Disorientates em 

[islandgun]

18 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Good cop - bad cop
Disorientates em 

Well its worked on me.🤨

[Stonepark]

8 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, While that maybe true it could have been settled by Diplomacy rather than Bombs and 1000s dead on both sides ,  Trump siding with Putin maybe he wants half of Russian Oil and Gas as well as Ukraine Minerals ?? 

They tried, the Minsk Agreement, the Minsk 2 Agreement, the Istanbul agreement and every time Ukraine and the West went back on their word.

[welsh1]

47 minutes ago, Stonepark said:

They tried, the Minsk Agreement, the Minsk 2 Agreement, the Istanbul agreement and every time Ukraine and the West went back on their word.

Did Ukraine or the west decide to invade another sovereign  country though? Answers on a postcard to" putin is an invading dictator"

[Houseplant]

On 18/02/2025 at 04:37, steve1066 said:

I thought that there was an obligation from America and Britain to protect the Ukrainians if they gave up the nuclear arsenal that they had inherited from the fall of the communists. I doubt Russia would have invaded if the Ukraine had still possessed all those missiles, third largest arsenal in the world at the time. 

Doesn't that prove nato is not worth a carrot.  

Yes, I believe so, but it wasn't NATO, just US and UK. 

On 20/02/2025 at 23:00, NoBodyImportant said:

As an American tax payer, we are not against NATO, we are tired of being NATO.  We fund NATO to kept world peace. But every time there is a conflict, famine, peace keeping mission America has to fund it.  So as a tax payer I don’t see the need to fund Nato if we are going to pick up the bill and send troops to every conflict.   The USAs military budget was 960 billion last year, that equals the next 8 countries combined.  There is no point in spending that much

If I was a US tax payer, I would resent it too. If the US takes action, it gets accused of being World Police. If it doesn't, then it gets called isolationist. Either way, there will be criticism and huge expense, but that is the cost of being a super power. 

[Rewulf]

13 hours ago, welsh1 said:

Did Ukraine or the west decide to invade another sovereign  country though? Answers on a postcard to" putin is an invading dictator"

Its a good job its only Russia that ever invades a sovereign entity