d foxxer Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 OUT then get rid of Cameron couldn't do much worse exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cawdor118 Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 I can guarantee the last 2 months to polling day will be "project fear"... just like the BBC did to the older Scottish generation. Dont be fooled by corrupt media, choose a side and stick with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 I rarely go abroad and I don't want cheap wine, so I'm voting OUT for future generations, not for short-term selfish consumer issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Actually, Somebody did.. and they, especially the Greeks who mostly love it (Please check). The point was that those who have been decrying the UK government have now magically changed their stance.. Also what about the new deal that (Cameron) they have recently Brokered meaning that we wnot be subject to losing more power to Brussels. I'm nor arguing, I honestly still don't know how to vote. There's good and bad points on both sides and a hell of a lot to consider and no one really knows the final picture of what Brexit will mean. There's alot of ******** being spoken by both sides.. The new deal has not been passed by the EU, it is only a proposal, we vote to remain and they could say "No you can't have that!" which is probably what would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 I think that if we do vote to get out it will not be long before the EU starts fall apart as I do not think that many people want to live in a country called Europe look at the problems that we have with England-Scotland-wales -NI and we all speak the same language well sort off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 So when Cameron and Osborne tell you that Britain will be better off inside a 'reformed' EU ask them who is going to reform it? Because they tried and failed. Cameron got nothing, all spin. In public relations, spin is a form of propaganda, achieved through providing a biased interpretation of an event or campaigning to persuade public opinion in favor or against some organization or public figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Interesting chat in pub last night with Germans and some people from Netherlands. The Germans were happy with the recent immigrants as Germans would not do the work and with an ageing population they needed the tax to pay pensions etc. The Dutch said they had recently voted against a support package for Ukraine and expect it to lead to an in out referendum at some point. They all wanted EU reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) All candidates standing for any office are elected on spin and propaganda......unless of course you know the candidate personally very very well, even then you rarely get what you voted for! Edited May 1, 2016 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 if every country in the EU asked for IN/OUT vote perhaps the leaders will take note (some hope) and actually reform or they would lose their cushy unelected status Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Heard Cameron on the Box the other night saying that the rest of the EU were likely to agree with all his demands for the UK because they are desperate for us to stay in........not surprising really when you see how much cash we throw at the beggars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Heard Cameron on the Box the other night saying that the rest of the EU were likely to agree with all his demands for the UK because they are desperate for us to stay in........not surprising really when you see how much cash we throw at the beggars. Funny how they vote on whether or not to agree AFTER we have the referendum 🙄 So we agree to stay and they just vote no, they'd be stupid to agree to us giving them less, as we've already voted in so nothing we could do about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 The way i see it, anyone that votes to remain in is an idiot, and blind to what is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Whether we leave or stay the EU will implode eventually. Its living on borrowed time now, it cannot go on they way things are, so if we leave we will get the blame for everything that follows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 I am persaonally prepared to take the blame, all of it, let's just get out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 The way i see it, anyone that votes to remain in is an idiot, and blind to what is happening.Has it occurred to you that they may feel the same way about out voters? Having a different perspective dosent make you an idiot, but not being willing to examine the other side of the argument, I'm afraid, does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted May 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Has it occurred to you that they may feel the same way about out voters? Having a different perspective dosent make you an idiot, but not being willing to examine the other side of the argument, I'm afraid, does. Nope, the in voters are sheep without a brain or individual opinion, easily led. Out voters have thought the situation through and arrived at the correct vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Nope, the in voters are sheep without a brain or individual opinion, easily led. Out voters have thought the situation through and arrived at the correct vote. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Seems to me that whatever happens at some point the thing will have to change. Some sort of monetary union for the euro currencies seems inevitable. Trade deals with big partners are never easy for the smaller partner however large they think they are. This is particularly true of energy security where a sharing grid looks to be vastly more cost effective than trying to build contingencies as an island nation. Maybe not in the current format but some way or another I think we need the strength that comes from a co-operative group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Croc Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Just had a read, don't agree with all his thoughts, but he arrived at his conclusion with some thought https://theweeflea.com/2016/04/26/european-referendum-the-tipping-point/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Just had a read, don't agree with all his thoughts, but he arrived at his conclusion with some thought https://theweeflea.com/2016/04/26/european-referendum-the-tipping-point/ Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 Do you really think the politicians within the European Commission are any better? We get to elect our own governments, if you're not happy you get to vote them out, we don't get to elect the European Commission. They may not be any better but at least we can change our political leaders if we leave, the EU Commissioners we have no hope of changing, ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) Seems to me that whatever happens at some point the thing will have to change. Some sort of monetary union for the euro currencies seems inevitable. Trade deals with big partners are never easy for the smaller partner however large they think they are. This is particularly true of energy security where a sharing grid looks to be vastly more cost effective than trying to build contingencies as an island nation. Maybe not in the current format but some way or another I think we need the strength that comes from a co-operative group. It is called the Euro and has that not been a great success? We developed our grid, it is ours alone, nothing to do with Europe. Our grid is linked to Europe's grid by a gas pipeline and a few sets of jumper leads basically, we are energy independent in Electricity (just), we do however import gas, which is why we should be fracking like crazy and stop us needing that crutch! Mods, why are the first 5 letters of fracking considered a swear word by the swear filter? *****, *****, F R Ack! Edited May 2, 2016 by secretagentmole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 It is called the Euro and has that not been a great success? We developed our grid, it is ours alone, nothing to do with Europe. Our grid is linked to Europe's grid by a gas pipeline and a few sets of jumper leads basically, we are energy independent in Electricity (just), we do however import gas, which is why we should be fracking like crazy and stop us needing that crutch! Mods, why are the first 5 letters of fracking considered a swear word by the swear filter? *****, *****, F R Ack! We aren't as energy independent as you think and our grid is fundamentally linked to mainland Europe, but this is really not an issue for the referendum as far as I can tell - edf won't suddenly pull out of the UK, we won't suddenly stop importing or exporting energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 We aren't as energy independent as you think and our grid is fundamentally linked to mainland Europe, but this is really not an issue for the referendum as far as I can tell - edf won't suddenly pull out of the UK, we won't suddenly stop importing or exporting energy. i think we should stuff all these onshore windfarms and use the £82 billion from HS2 to build loads of tidal capure schemes....you know the type...big lagoons off rocky coasts......they energy is free and garenteed.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesey1981 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 (edited) They may not be any better but at least we can change our political leaders if we leave, the EU Commissioners we have no hope of changing, ever!Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and the one after it, read it again, you don't need to convince me to vote leave.I think you're confusing my post with the one I was responding to. Edited May 2, 2016 by Jamesey1981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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