Corruption

[bostonmick]

So we are hosting a conference in London on corruption. Our dave is in the large part hosting this event.and after being overheard to state that Nigeria and Afghanistan were fantastically corrupt I wonder if the Eu and the fact that the books have never been ratified will be discussed.how many billions of tax payers money has been spent without anyone having to account for its whereabouts.

[Scully]

Very good point Mick, and may be one worth mentioning at a higher level.

I wonder if it is a point Mr Farage has already considered?

[grrclark]

There is an awful lot of mistruths given about how the EU books have never been audited, things are never quite so clear as bold statements would have us believe.

 

Having said that there is without a doubt a huge amount of incompetence, mismanagement and quite frankly an utter disregard for good governance within the EU.

 

Is the EU fundamentally corrupt? I don't believe that it is, but I absolutely believe there are many corrupt individuals that walk in the corridors of power, likewise in every government.

 

In comparison the level of corruption in the emerging/developmental economies is staggering, having recently been engaged in business activities in Cameroon I can say that it was eye opening. I have done work before in Turkey and Russia and they have great swathes of corruption running through government and business, but Cameroon knocked them right out the park.

[Scully]

Fair comment; my innate hatred of the EU wants me to believe everything bad I hear about it, which is wrong I admit, but I can't help but regard the organisation as anything dissimilar to the likes of FIFA.

[grrclark]

Fair comment; my innate hatred of the EU wants me to believe everything bad I hear about it, which is wrong I admit, but I can't help but regard the organisation as anything dissimilar to the likes of FIFA.

 

It is hard to think otherwise, I absolutely agree. Without any doubt the place is stuffed full of self serving, narcissistic idealists and that is the very breeding ground for manipulation and corruption. Maybe I am being too generous in my initial post

[TIGHTCHOKE]

 

It is hard to think otherwise, I absolutely agree. Without any doubt the place is stuffed full of self serving, narcissistic idealists and that is the very breeding ground for manipulation and corruption. Maybe I am being too generous in my initial post

 

You mean politicians and civil servants.

[panoma1]

Is a little lie any less of a lie? Is the theft of a small item any less of a theft? Which ever way you dress it up corruption is corruption!

 

For example the powerful countries of the EU via the commissioners will corruptly give the poorer countries the crumbs off their table (favourable treatment) in exchange for their support (vote) in persueing their own interests and agendas, and the poorer countries will sell their vote to them for the thirty pieces of silver!.............We need look no further than FIFA under Blatter and his predecessor to see this type of corruption!

 

Apols Scully I didn't see your reference to Fifa before I posted this!

Edited May 11, 2016 by panoma1

[clakk]

"Ask not what your country can do for you ,but what you can do for your country",a great sentiment at the time??.Now translates into how much can you claim on expenses and how much can you divert to your own department ,bank account and hide from the public and press.And make sure you set up shell company,s to award contracts to and do make sure the ownership is hidden behind layers of offshore lawyer,s .Cynical no anyone own shares in Panama ??

[rjimmer]

 

It is hard to think otherwise, I absolutely agree. Without any doubt the place is stuffed full of self serving, narcissistic idealists and that is the very breeding ground for manipulation and corruption. Maybe I am being too generous in my initial post

Ideals soon go out the window in these situations.

[grrclark]

You mean politicians and civil servants.

 

Yep, as Billy Connelly once remarked, anybody wanting to become an MP should disqualify them from the post.

[Scully]

 

Apols Scully I didn't see your reference to Fifa before I posted this!

 

None necessary.

[Bobba]

Cameron makes comments about the level of corruption in Nigeria and Afghanistan and yet those two countries are the 5th and 6th biggest recipients of UK foreign aid. And, I suspect, much of that aid is diverted into their pockets of corrupt politicians. If Cameron is that concerned all he has to do is turn of the tap.

[Whitebridges]

So we are hosting a conference in London on corruption. ........

 

So this has to mean we are leading the market !

 

We shouldn't do things like this. Hold it in Nigeria. Why are we hosting filth from all over?

Edited May 11, 2016 by Whitebridges

[Jega]

 

So this has to mean we are leading the market !

 

We shouldn't do things like this. Hold it in Nigeria. Why are we hosting filth from all over?

So the Nigerians ,Afghans and all the rest can come and learn from the experts in self serving corruption that inhabit our own two houses of parliament .

Dodgy expenses for second homes ,duck houses ,cleaning moats ,claiming 36p for a chocolate biscuit ,employing family in their office ..................and the list just goes on and on .

[oowee]

Is a little lie any less of a lie? Is the theft of a small item any less of a theft? Which ever way you dress it up corruption is corruption!

 

For example the powerful countries of the EU via the commissioners will corruptly give the poorer countries the crumbs off their table (favourable treatment) in exchange for their support (vote) in persueing their own interests and agendas, and the poorer countries will sell their vote to them for the thirty pieces of silver!.............We need look no further than FIFA under Blatter and his predecessor to see this type of corruption!

 

Apols Scully I didn't see your reference to Fifa before I posted this!

Just like those little cash jobs in the trades?

[UKPoacher]

I would be very, very surprised if there was no corruption amongst EU officials given the amounts of money in circulation and the numbers of officials. I would imagine that if it was properly investigated it would make the FIFA scandal look like a Christmas club fiddle.

 

That said; there is a myth that the EU books have never been signed off. They have. With the caveat that there is a significant amount of money that cannot be accounted for. But in general the auditors gave it their signature. Just like those who audited Enron did.

 

As for the Nigerians asking for money to be returned from UK banks. The cheek of it. When the Nigerian PM refunds all those thousands who have lost money in ebay and e-mail scams to the thieving ******** of his country he can ask for his money back. And not before!

[nobbyathome]

stop it you lot I wont have a bad word said about Nigeria apparently I have one million us dollars left to me and all I have to do is give them my account number for them to send it to me

nice people

[Whitebridges]

Hopefully it will be a live broadcast on the BBC. Then we'll be able to witness Dave's hypocritical side.

[old'un]

stop it you lot I wont have a bad word said about Nigeria apparently I have one million us dollars left to me and all I have to do is give them my account number for them to send it to me

nice people

Yes....its exciting isn't it, I have already sent them my bank details and Mr Abegunde

was so nice when I forgot to give him my pin number but its all sorted now just waiting for the money from the bank in Nigeria, think they said it was about 1.2 million, I will buy you all a drink when it arrives.

[Vince Green]

Fair comment; my innate hatred of the EU wants me to believe everything bad I hear about it, which is wrong I admit, but I can't help but regard the organisation as anything dissimilar to the likes of FIFA.

I think FIFA is the perfect example of how central European countries and organisations (including the EU and the Vatican) have done business since Roman times. In fact it is all based around the Roman ethos where power and position was everything.

 

Britain only escaped this mind set because we were invaded by the Vikings, who despite getting a bad name as raiders, were actually truly democratic and held people accountable for their indiscretions. Very underestimated people the Vikings

[Danger-Mouse]

 

Britain only escaped this mind set because we were invaded by the Vikings, who despite getting a bad name as raiders, were actually truly democratic and held people accountable for their indiscretions. Very underestimated people the Vikings

 

Hmmm I don`t really agree with that line of reasoning. We were very successfully invaded by the Romans but with the collapse of the Empire things reverted to largely how they had been before, just with a few nicer buildings strewn around. The Vikings came along later and had some success but ultimately were absorbed or driven out. Then of course along came the Normans, themselves born of Viking stock, and they ruled for a while but eventually they too were absorbed. Yes we adopted many of their traditions and stole large chunks of their language but ultimately our own identity was re-established.

 

We`re rather good at that in this country. We take bits we like and add them to our own culture and make them ours, giving them a distinctively British twist. What we don`t like we discard.

 

I suppose if you wanted to thank one person from history for taking us away from European "policy/influence" Henry VIII would be one of the better candidates. Establishing himself as head of the church in England probably ranks as one of the boldest and tumultuous events of the last couple of millenia.

[KFC]

Good luck to Dave in getting a transparent register of property ownership in the UK. Most are registered through shell companies which are managed by agents and the agents don't even know who they are acting for.

They might get a register of companies but we'll never know who owns the companies. Some states in the US are major players in the game now, Delaware being one of the most well known so I doubt we'll get much information from them.

 

I won't post the vid again because it's been on the forum quite often but Nigel Farage gives a good speech about how the EU policy on Bass fishing was fiddled through the back door without debate.

The Bass ban is the reason my buddy and I no longer go beach fishing but trawlers can take 1,000 tons a month. When I see the tiddling little Bass on market shelves, of a size I would never dream of taking, then I'm told I can't take one Bass to preserve stocks then it makes me want to weep.

If I did take one then it's a £50,000 fine. How many laws have we got that demand that kind of penalty?

 

Dave just seems to keep spouting cobblers on a daily basis these days.

 

HMRC sold its HQ for a pittance and now leases it back at from an off-shore company. Good value for the taxpayer? I should cocoa!!!

[old man]

FWIW? i thought The Normans who supposedly gave the basis for our legal system etc were descended from a Viking/Norseman offshoot?

 

As an aside I was told by an angler who wanted to help return his local river to health that he had applied for a licence to trap Signal Crayfish, he was refused?

The reason?

They did not trust him to return any native crays he caught?

 

Blimey I must be bored?

[panoma1]

Good luck to Dave in getting a transparent register of property ownership in the UK. Most are registered through shell companies which are managed by agents and the agents don't even know who they are acting for.

They might get a register of companies but we'll never know who owns the companies. Some states in the US are major players in the game now, Delaware being one of the most well known so I doubt we'll get much information from them.

 

I won't post the vid again because it's been on the forum quite often but Nigel Farage gives a good speech about how the EU policy on Bass fishing was fiddled through the back door without debate.

The Bass ban is the reason my buddy and I no longer go beach fishing but trawlers can take 1,000 tons a month. When I see the tiddling little Bass on market shelves, of a size I would never dream of taking, then I'm told I can't take one Bass to preserve stocks then it makes me want to weep.

If I did take one then it's a £50,000 fine. How many laws have we got that demand that kind of penalty?

 

Dave just seems to keep spouting cobblers on a daily basis these days.

 

HMRC sold its HQ for a pittance and now leases it back at from an off-shore company. Good value for the taxpayer? I should cocoa!!!

If that's the case with Bass, it mirrors the 12+ year old early season ban on taking Salmon in England and Wales and currently the EA's attempts/proposals to make it law to catch and release all Salmon in many UK rivers!......But the authorities do nothing to stop the factory ships sucking up whole runs of Salmon out at sea! And allows estuarine netting/trapping to commence a week before the rod season starts! Do they return their catch to the water I wonder?......It was estimated before the ban that in a whole season rod anglers took under 5% of the total run of salmon in a river and contributed millions to the economy.....it seem a similar scenario with the Bass? Recreational rod anglers are being penalised for exploitation by others elsewhere? Easy targets come to mind!

[Penelope]

Indeed, if native white clawed crayfish are present in the catchment, the EA won't give a licence.

 

FWIW? i thought The Normans who supposedly gave the basis for our legal system etc were descended from a Viking/Norseman offshoot?

 

As an aside I was told by an angler who wanted to help return his local river to health that he had applied for a licence to trap Signal Crayfish, he was refused?

The reason?

They did not trust him to return any native crays he caught?

 

Blimey I must be bored?