Rachel and Nyomi FEE

[winnie&bezza]

Since we had our boy, who is now 20 months old, I can't even read stories like this, but I get the gist from the thread. Hang the ******** high.

Agree. Having kids changes you in that way.

[winnie&bezza]

The jury that heard the evidence found the case so disturbing that they have been excused from any such duties for 10 years. As for Social Services all I can say (and with personal experience of them) is what a total crock of **** you are - one of you, at least, has this child's blood on your hands and you should be charged with negligence at the very least.

Imagine being on jury service for that case! Horrendous.

[Vince Green]

Social Services are nowhere near as competent as we might hope they would be. That's not a criticism its just a fact. they can't win in these situations. They are only fairly low grade Council workers at the end of the day.

 

My experience of dealing with social services in a past life left me with the view that they were very hit and miss

 

This sort of stuff is way beyond what they have the ability to deal with

Edited June 1, 2016 by Vince Green

[deephayes12]

at my age i though i was past crying, when i saw it on the news i found out i was not

[Fuji Shooter]

They just need to adopt the same approach as a lot of south american and Asian countries jails. No segregation everyone on the same wing.

[Penelope]

One has to wonder if the reason that the social services did not do more to protect the pore little lad was down to the fact that they were/are a Lesbian couple and they was worried about being said to be homophobic like with out brown friends in the north.

It would not surprise me if this had some baring on Social Services decisions, after all they did receive reports of possible abuse.

[fortune]

mans inhumanity to fellow man. The treatment of these children that suffer is back to medieval ways. We need to find out why people act in such a manner so that these problems can be detected and acted upon before the damage is done. failing that public burning at the gantry frame. lets all go medieval.

[guzzicat]

The fat slag will find she can lose weight, used tampons in her food is the least she can look forward to.

[Muddy Funker]

Really sad story,

 

What's also sad is they will probably have a jolly old time in prison at our expense when they should really just be executed.

[old'un]

Well reading the news items on this case I would say ss are 90% to blame, but I guess we will get the normal statement saying,

"we need to learn from our mistakes and make sure this does not happen again"

Till the next time.

[Lloyd90]

Social services 90% to blame ? So the Couple who actually tortured and murdered the poor soul are only 10% to blame ?

 

If you knew what it was really like you'd understand.

 

In recent years social services have had budget cut massivel, work load increases massively. All the admin and assistants have been dismissed to save money. Social workers protected case load means nothing and is always over .

 

Aside from that this was also missed by police and doctors.

Some real narrow minded views.

 

As I said the blame lies solely with those two women and may they get everything that is coming to them and more 😡

[old'un]

Social services 90% to blame ? So the Couple who actually tortured and murdered the poor soul are only 10% to blame ?

 

If you knew what it was really like you'd understand.

 

In recent years social services have had budget cut massivel, work load increases massively. All the admin and assistants have been dismissed to save money. Social workers protected case load means nothing and is always over .

 

Aside from that this was also missed by police and doctors.

Some real narrow minded views.

 

As I said the blame lies solely with those two women and may they get everything that is coming to them and more

 

No, the murder of Liam is 100% down to the two women in question, ss are 90% at fault for allowing this to slip past them..http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617748/Mother-GUILTY-murdering-toddler-Liam-Fee-partner.html

[felly100]

It's oh so easy to sit in Paul Dacre Towers slating social workers.

Who on earth is willing to go through university and become a family social worker

They deserve a bloody medal.

[Paul1440]

Heart-wrenchingly sad and brutally horrific. I just hope the surviving children somehow manage to come through this without being too messed up.

 

 

Rod, the real world isn't as black and white as you believe it. Scapegoating the underpaid, stressed out and over stretched social services for what two extraordinarily callous, self centered and brutal people did is pointless and unnecessary. The blame lies squarely with the Fees.

Absolutely.. it's no wonder they find it hard to recruit.. same is going for a lot of jobs.. People just aren't prepared to put themselves in a position where by pressure or circumstances may land them in the dock and their lives ruined.

Edited June 1, 2016 by Paul1440

[walshie]

Has anyone worked out who the 2 other kids at the house were? And why anyone thought that letting people like this have kids was a good idea? Apart from the "homophobia" card being played of course.

 

Unfortunately I doubt they will get a hard time in prison. They seem to keep cases like this together and away from harm. After all Ian Brady is still alive and well and Myra Hindley died of natural causes.

[islandgun]

Has anyone worked out who the 2 other kids at the house were? And why anyone thought that letting people like this have kids was a good idea? Apart from the "homophobia" card being played of course.

 

Unfortunately I doubt they will get a hard time in prison. They seem to keep cases like this together and away from harm. After all Ian Brady is still alive and well and Myra Hindley died of natural causes.

evil beyond words I hope they are imprisoned with a daily stream of mysoginist rapist's RIP little lad

[rodp]

I'm doing a degree in social work, it's not black and white.

 

As stated "social workers, POLICE OFFICERS AND DOCTORS" all missed this. Yet you only condemn the social services ?

 

Aside from that, you can not legislate against scum like this. It's a very sad fact that their are people in the world who do sick and horrible things.

 

I hope they get everything coming to them and more, reading that made me tear up

Perhaps it's me that's got it wrong but I assumed Police enforced the law, doctors made folk better and social services went round looking after kids and needy adults ? Social services failed ............... again !!

[Lloyd90]

Perhaps it's me that's got it wrong but I assumed Police enforced the law, doctors made folk better and social services went round looking after kids and needy adults ? Social services failed ............... again !!

The police have the power to take kids off their parents for protection.

 

Social workers do not. They can apply to the courts and go through the processes.

 

Social services did fail, as did the police, doctors and all other professionals involved. Unfortunately sometimes people who are truly evil are quite good at pretending they are not.

 

Whether they played the homophobia card, or used other ways they managed to convince both police and social services that they were not abusing that poor child. They are scum and deserve far worse than they will get.

 

I feel sorry for the social worker as they undoubtedly would have acted if they had the knowledge or power to do so.

Over all they are over stretched, over worked, their protected case loads are often ignored.

 

Due to cutbacks all admin staff and their assistants have been dismissed, so although they claim their case loads may not have gone up they are doing significantly more work, I know this for a fact.

 

In the huge majority of cases they do the best they can with the little that they have got to work with. This is very unfortunate and May that poor little lad RIP. :(

[Royal22lr]

It's our fault (society) that these awful acts happen.

We vote and elect the political party we believe can do us as individuals a good turn. Control Immigration, protect NHS, low taxation, build more houses, cut public spending etc it's all bull.

 

My local authority Reading (labour control) in the last six years have had to cut its workforce by over 600 employees. Why.? Because of Government spending cuts Austerity! We have lost teachers, nurses, builders, carpenters, electricians, care workers social workers etc. Across the board from cleaners to Directors.

 

These cuts are happening in every District, Town, City.

So why is it our fault? Because we put our own personal needs before others. Next time you get a chance to vote, stop and think about the young,sick,old people. People you/me don't think about. its time to put others before ourselves. If we do that perhaps next time their may me a Dr teacher copper social worker etc available to stop these tragic incidents repeating its self time after time.

 

Royal 22 LR

[kyska]

What another mess.

 

I along with others on here have left health care because of the syrup to wade through, all day, every day, and reflecting that syrup on days off.

 

No one is more guilty than the 'parents', the police can remove a child under law, but not for long, and believe me, it takes a miracle for a police officer to find the grounds to do so, not his or her fault, they have to follow protocol.

 

Of course the child is then passed onto social services, they will be known anyway, and the worker can be turned away, ignored or simply not be attending meetings/evaluation.

 

Anyone knocking social services need to realise they have no authoritative power, nor do the docs, the nurses.

 

Again, believe me, it's endemic in this country, this poor lad is dead, the amount of children alive, being abused is horrifying.

 

I applaud social workers, not many people sign up to walk into a job like theirs.

[Winston72]

Why is it social services fault if some twisted person abused and killed their child ?

 

It's not as if some person down there knowingly let it go on, if they'd have known they'd have gone through the courts to get the poor child out of there.

Like they did with BABY P?

[Dekers]

Like they did with BABY P?

 

I have no time for Social Services generally, but I have less time for the blame culture we appear to live in.

 

It's always someone else's fault apparently, except the people at fault here have been convicted!

 

[Sian]

Perhaps it's me that's got it wrong but I assumed Police enforced the law, doctors made folk better and social services went round looking after kids and needy adults ? Social services failed ............... again !!

You do assume wrongly - all the above do usually play a part in safeguarding children along with schools/nurseries/health visitors. They usually make up the team around the child TAC. Each has a part to play but still it goes wrong. I've been part of TAC and I can see where it goes wrong. You'd assume all the professionals would be on the same page but often what I consider vital history is kept from one or more of the professionals to protect the parents privacy - and that is where it breaks down. Case loads are high, the responsibility of all those professionals is huge BUT the thing is every member of society has a duty to report. Don't tell me that neighbours and friends didn't have an inkling of something not quite right but still they are reluctant to question this and bring it to the light of authority.

 

An example - social worker in charge of a child's emotional well being. All professionals realise that this is dependent on mother's psychological well being but no power to get the mother to undergo psychiatric evaluation so school try hard to engage with mother and gain her trust, authorities try by escalating a child in need to a safeguarding issue. Months and months but eventually get the mother's commitment to be evaluated but you'd think someone could just step in and say do it - NO it doesn't work that way. I could go on and on.

[dougall]

I guess thats their modelling careers down the swanny...

[Mike737]

Hopefully things have improved nowadays, but back when I was in the police in the 70's, 80's and 90's, we used to reckon that the most certain way for a child to come to harm was for him/her to be placed on the Social Services 'At Risk' register. One case in particular I remember; after a late night call regarding a baby crying continually, we broke into a house, found the baby alone, freezing cold, in a urine-saturated cot, in an unheated house. We looked after the child at the police station, (giving it a clean nappy, made from a tea-towel stolen from the canteen), had it examined by the police surgeon, and waited for hours for Social Services to attend and place the child in care. In fact, what happened was that they returned the child to the parents the very next day; as apparently leaving the baby there, while they were out at the pub, was a minor transgression, and the parents had assured them it would not happen again... I never found out if anything further untoward occurred, but any parents who could go out boozing, leaving a few months old baby alone in an unheated house should not be allowed to have children. As I said, hopefully things are better now...

 

Mike.