wymberley Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Without a doubt. People have voted out for a multitude of reasons rather than the single economy issue for many who voted remain. There are four of us at work ( now one has walked) and all voted out for different reasons. I think that the referendum shows that our Parliamentry voting system at General Elections is totally flawed . People do not feel their vote counts and such elections have masked the real disposition of the electorate,hence the surprise which has undoubtably been given to our politicians in the referendum. We need a system that engages the electorate,hence making politicians far more accountable and aware of the real ,not surmised ,feelings of ordinary working people. This from the Telegraph. The fact that this newspaper has been able to dig out this information about the population spread means that it would also have been available to the political parties. They either chose to ignore it or were not aware of it. I very much doubt the latter as no politician would have embarked on a campaign unless he/she had not already taken steps to ensure the result would be in his/her favour Either way, it reflects just how much they are out of touch with the general population. The result of which is as we've now witnessed. Just two of the top thirty areas for over 65s voted to Remain - South Lakeland in the North West and South Hams in the South West. Only three areas where more than half of residents had a degree voted to leave - South Bucks, West Devon, and Malvern Hills in the West Midlands. And just three of the top fifty areas DE class areas voted to Remain. Leicester, Liverpool and Newham in London were statistical anomalies because they are big cities with a high number of young voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyS Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 wait, don't we have less control over our borders now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Please explain. One of the gripes about EU membership is that unelected people are making decisions that affect us. The replacement Conservative leader will not have been elected by the UK public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyS Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 You give the people a vote on something important with rhetoric such as "we are the 5th largest economy in the world" and "our economy is strong enough to stand alone" ... Then before lunchtime the next day France is suddenly a bigger economy than ours an they spend all their life on strike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 One of the gripes about EU membership is that unelected people are making decisions that affect us. The replacement Conservative leader will not have been elected by the UK public. I've never been asked to vote for a party's leader, have you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 One of the gripes about EU membership is that unelected people are making decisions that affect us. The replacement Conservative leader will not have been elected by the UK public. He will be an elected Member of Parliament and chosen by the party, same as Dave C was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 One of the gripes about EU membership is that unelected people are making decisions that affect us. The replacement Conservative leader will not have been elected by the UK public. any more than Gordon Brown was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 One of the gripes about EU membership is that unelected people are making decisions that affect us. The replacement Conservative leader will not have been elected by the UK public. The new leader will be from the democratically elected group of MPs of the governing party. We did not directly elect Mr Cameron as Prime Minister, he was a locally elected MP who was voted by his Party as their leader. He could, theoretically, have not been elected by his constituency. Or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 wait, don't we have less control over our borders now? Yep and the border agency (civil service) is in the fireing line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I'd never vote Conservative but for Uncle Dave's successor I'd like to see Andrea Leadsom. I think she conducted a calm and constructive debate and she would be a good uniting influence The first law that should be repealed is the one that stops me from catching and eating Bass and then the foreign trawlers should be told to sod off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 We could brick up the Channel Tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I would like to see our borders closed and us mass deporting the unwanted immigrants. Adopting a policy of like Australia where if your not needed your not staying here and your not getting a penny. Our nhs and big industries being sorted and our manufacturing getting a boost. Looking forward to the pound gaining strength and goods from abroad being cheaper again. Sure most of us can remember going on holiday and having pockets full of foreign currency and being amazed at how cheap food and drink was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loriusgarrulus Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Channel Tunnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpigeon3 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Initial period after exit of 3 to 5 years. The government could run some power stations to provide free energy and reduced rates for manufacturing on all scales, to produce decent quality products at competitive prices. To compete with foreign markets and get our foot on the global ladder for exports, and defend against possible backlash from countries who feel we have caused them financial difficulties. Also when we have full control of the national finances we can introduce new business tariffs and taxes to bring big business and investment to the UK. This is a good way of doing so. But I'm afraid that in some circles this will be seen as too capitalist, and it could be all unravelled by a socialist view in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Point taken guys - My slight dyslexia perhaps has me thinking some people would have voted for Cameron by voting Conservative while he was the leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Point taken guys - My slight dyslexia perhaps has me thinking some people would have voted for Cameron by voting Conservative while he was the leader. And that Sir, is a valid point. Possibly some people did vote Tory because DC was the leader. As I have mentioned elsewhere, we should be looking at options for electoral reform. This referendum is democracy at work, and credit must be given to DC for the opportunity to vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Cameron should have seen out his elected term instead of spitefully forcing the conservative party to be lead by an un-elected MP - which is partly what many felt was wrong with EU I don't believe he should he did say we wanted the vote so his government gave it to us and he will be prime minister whatever the way the vote goes but after all the bitchiness and nastiness both sides have given each other I don't blame him for going he was on a hiding for nothing in my opinion a shame I liked Cameron and although he didn't get what he wanted from the eu when he made some negotiations at least he tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footu Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Shut the borders Entry and exit visas ....( jobs already created) Use the money saved to train youngsters to manufacture the stuff we lmport Adopting Australia immigration policy As a starter I'm sure plenty will be added All the best Of Get the unemployed to dig up canvey island and use it to back fill the channel tunnel, making us an island nation again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Sheppey, it's closer. Get the unemployed to dig up canvey island and use it to back fill the channel tunnel, making us an island nation again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 I agree Mudpatten, we need to think bigger and find some people who care more about the country than themselves..... but where, who? I know of a chimpanzee at a local zoo who could do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 In answer to the OP, I am certain we don't have the right politicians from any persuasion to correct the current out of control situation? They either want everything for themselves and their rich mates who sponsor and lobby constantly for all of the cream, or the other persuasion who want to give it all away to all and sundry to bolster their own feeling of worth? No common sense is evident in any of them? May be in a real country but not here? It should not be possible to be better off on any benefit as now by sticking two fingers up to society than working for the minimum wage? We could be fair and give them all 3 months notice it's all to end but guess not as condemnation would surely follow? That's what happens when trying to reverse an out of control situation that has existed far to long, we can't separate the genuine from the scammers much to their delight. Hey Ho! Who would vote any one in who had backbone and common sense? "just a few musings" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted June 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 We still have the Heathrow 3rd runway to think about I guess the Chinese will have to pay for HS2 and get a good chunk of the income from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 steel production at the the quality we we gave customers nursing colleges engineering colleges cov.tech. closed down when the factories closed in the 80,s could open and train our workforce and they would be proud again as they were before the EU interferred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 limit the length of time you can draw dole ( i believe in france it is 2 years then nothing) give bosses some incentive to hire british workers first a tax incentive if you hire uk workers and a taxlevy if you do not and remove some of the redicculous red tape that is clogging up britains ability to produce the goods we import Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 Wait for the eu to implode pick who we want to be friends with , on our terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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