NHS Cyber Attack

[saddler]

More good news about **** poor security of the NHS computer networks.

 

Good job there's no real risk to the wider public....apart from anyone with a ZX81 being able to access patients records to check for firearms markers.

 

Quick. Promote a few more managers & say ££££ extra has been invested in the network.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Shocking!

[mossy835]

More good news about **** poor security of the NHS computer networks.

 

Good job there's no real risk to the wider public....apart from anyone with a ZX81 being able to access patients records to check for firearms markers.

 

Quick. Promote a few more managers & say ££££ extra has been invested in the network.

 

 

 

good point about the firearms markers.

[Whitebridges]

Shocking!

 

This ^^^ We need to wake up and catch the ******** that did this.

[toontastic]

More good news about **** poor security of the NHS computer networks.

 

Good job there's no real risk to the wider public....apart from anyone with a ZX81 being able to access patients records to check for firearms markers.

 

Quick. Promote a few more managers & say ££££ extra has been invested in the network.

Worldwide attack affecting many businesses and organisations, either they've all got poor security or its a very sophisticated attack.

[mick miller]

Systems still running Windows XP

[Jaymo]

good point about the firearms markers.

Let's face it- if I want access to who owns what, then a visit to my local clay or rifle range then follow you home will reap all I would need.

I wouldn't be concerned about a marker on my file being disclosed.

[kyska]

I'm not sure I get this, several hospitals have been badly damaged and people are worried about firearm markers?

 

They're after bitcoin, they haven't hacked highly sophisticated institutes all over Europe to find some rough ***** pigeon shooters address to steal a 12g.

 

 

 

good point about the firearms markers.

No it's not, it's absolutely ridiculous. Every person would know as I live in a farm it's likely I've got guns.

[kyska]

Let's face it- if I want access to who owns what, then a visit to my local clay or rifle range then follow you home will reap all I would need.

I wouldn't be concerned about a marker on my file being disclosed.

You're right, but we also need to highlight the silliness of these comments, the hackers will now filter through 65,000,000 medical records, look for markers and rob us all.

[ditchman]

Systems still running Windows XP

 

 

im an idiot and a poor one at that and i dumped XP for the new one as it wasnt surpoted any more......................

 

 

attack on 74 countries so far.............."they" need to get on the dark web and see who is bragging about it.......prob' some 15 year old lad in his bedroom in Slough or somewhere...

 

people could die as a result of this.....murder by proxy ?

[Whitebridges]

kyska is 100% right.

 

I want to see some fast ball corrective action from our government on this. Meaning locking up the perpetrators and the buffoons at NHS IT security.

 

There better damn well be someone accountable!! Let's see.

 

Knob jockey Corbyn will be dancing in the wings at this political opportunity.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Whitebridges

[walshie]

Good grief. I think there are far more serious implications than someone seeing a marker on someone's file. Like dying because the doctor's can't see your notes.

[Vince Green]

So many companies and organisations like the NHS are so far behind the curve on cyber security

[Westley]

kyska is 100% right.

 

I want to see some fast ball corrective action from our government on this. Meaning locking up the perpetrators and the buffoons at NHS IT security.

 

There better damn well be someone accountable!! Let's see.

 

Knob jockey Corbyn will be dancing in the wings at this political opportunity.

 

Looks like they will be too busy chasing some poor Squaddie, who just happened to be in Northern Ireland on a certain Sunday, all those years ago, !

[saddler]

Good grief. I think there are far more serious implications than someone seeing a marker on someone's file. Like dying because the doctor's can't see your notes.

The violent theft in the news today, of 18 shotguns , must just be a space filler then?

The concern around poor web/computer security ARE valid....but they're one part of the bigger picture.

 

Any major banks or financial institutions attacked today? Or did THEY have suitable defenses in place?

If the NHS had learned from the previous attack this would not have happened today.

 

What happened to doctors being a doctor & actually diagnosing based on the symptoms in front of them?

Or MRSA being a disease of the past?

[Paul1440]

It's an easy assumption to mske that all the systems are "Backwards" I think you'll find that most of the companies will have the best security available.

Odds on are that someone or several people have ignored (or think themselves above) adhearing to the instruction not to open links on what are blatentley suspicious emails. Our firm takes the opening links of such emails and the culprits reason for doing so are investigared wotb serious consequenses.

I can't see any dsta fallimg into the wrong hands.. It's not that type of attack. It will csuse a lot of inconvienience to those thst have got it on their machine.

There's a good vid on the BBC website by an Ex Hacker who explains it.

[Vince Green]

If I send a message to the man at the next desk it could easily go literally all round the world to get to him. There is no security, hundreds of ways to be intercepted.

[kyska]

 

 

What happened to doctors being a doctor & actually diagnosing based on the symptoms in front of them?

Or MRSA being a disease of the past?

I'm so confused about your post, this bit in particular

[69chris]

the russians will get the blame.......again

[fortune]

It is not just in this country or the NHS. There have been reports of infections in more than 70 countries, including the UK, US, China, Russia, Spain, Italy and Taiwan.One cyber-security researcher tweeted that he had detected many thousands of cases of the ransomware - known as WannaCry and variants of that name - around the world.

"This is huge," said Jakub Kroustek at Avast.

Another, at cyber-security firm Kaspersky, said that the ransomware had been spotted cropping up in 74 countries and that the number was still growing.

There were a number of reports that Russia had seen more infections than any other single country. Source BBC News. I'm sure that are a lot of analysts​ working on this to see where it has come from. I had a virus attack that jamed my computer and demanded that I pay money to get it unfrozen. I found a way round it by moving around it. Even today I had an email from my umm-bongo telling me that all I had to do was to contact them to get the millions of dollars that they had waiting to put into my bank account. If it turns out to be a spotty person in their bedroom somewhere they need to take him to a facility where they can use their talents to combat this sort of thing or just burn them out so all they want to do is sweep streets. If that don't work dog food might be an option.

[Whitebridges]

Looks like they will be too busy chasing some poor Squaddie, who just happened to be in Northern Ireland on a certain Sunday, all those years ago, !

Sorry but I do not get your irony and i don't get the funny haha side of what you are saying if that was your intention.

[Whitebridges]

Systems still running Windows XP

So you are confident the NHS is running Windows XP which is not supported by Microsoft ?

[BrowningB525]

More good news about **** poor security of the NHS computer networks.

 

Good job there's no real risk to the wider public....apart from anyone with a ZX81 being able to access patients records to check for firearms markers.

 

Quick. Promote a few more managers & say ££££ extra has been invested in the network.

 

Why are british people so ******* miserable. You don't need to pick fault. Why not say some **** has carried out a cyber attack. Instead of (probably wrongly) assuming that it's bad security.

[Whitebridges]

saddler lives in a very remote and isolated part of the the kingdom so he will have a different perspective on these matters.

[7daysinaweek]

The violent theft in the news today, of 18 shotguns , must just be a space filler then?

The concern around poor web/computer security ARE valid....but they're one part of the bigger picture.

 

Any major banks or financial institutions attacked today? Or did THEY have suitable defenses in place?

If the NHS had learned from the previous attack this would not have happened today.

 

What happened to doctors being a doctor & actually diagnosing based on the symptoms in front of them?

Or MRSA being a disease of the past?

 

Hi Saddler

 

it is the chicken and the egg stategy!

You are correct in pointing out that a good clinical history of symptoms may lead to a diagnosis and subsequent treatment. However more commonly upon initial symptoms and assessment the clinician arrives at the point of a differential diagnosis (differentiating between two or more conditions which present with similar symptoms) at that point of the physiological presenting symptoms which the patient has and the available past medical history of the patient. Further tests such as blood test (clinical biochemistry) imaging (xray, ct scans etc) are widely used outside the initial presenting symptoms to make hopefully make a correct diagnosis and enable a successive appropriate treatment plan. Without having access to a medical record can affect diagnosis and treatment at many stages. I will give a couple of examples in my job i the last couple of days.

 

 

Called out to a new housebound patient at home transferred from another area out of hours, made a diagnosis of acute upper respiratory infection. When i told the patient that i would prescribe them a non penecillin based antibiotic they said they could take penecillin without a problem which was contradictory to pt held medical record which stated the patient had gave a medical history in two prior consultations which led to two separate diagnosis of penecillin based sensitivity with associated risk factors. This had resulted in a red flagged sensitivity recording within the electronic medical record to penecillin base antibiotic.

 

I double checked the patient electronic medical record whilst in the home which i could view again on my ipad. I have access to electronic pt record via mobile encryption. Had i not have had access to the electronic record this would have impacted upon treatment choices versus risk to the patient. If in any clinical doubt i will not prescribe penicillin base antimicrobials and will move to second line treatment, thus resulting in the possibility the pt may get a slightly altered decreased clinical wellbeing response but reduces the risk of occurence of severe reaction or fatality in poor clinical history/report of what medicines they can take safely within the most reasonable doubt. Successive monitoring follow up in some at risk client groups is essential patient safety.

 

Other scenarios that i experience on a daily, weekly, monthly basis:

 

individual who is in the last few weeks of life managing pain relief at home among many other medications, morhine based opiate regime of pain relief tablets twice daily by mouth, had bloods results done and electronic record sent to me by the hospital blood lab results show now has chronic renal failure latter stages,. Response to this have moved the patient onto opiod alternative pain relief which the kidneys can excrete the waste products from much more freely and reduce overall risk of toxicity within the patient. Resulting in reduction of adverse symptoms and side effects for the individual and in the first instance the best quality of life.

 

I make a home visit, make a diagnosis of acute septicemia (sepsis) immediate 999 and i ring the on triage nurse for major acute admissions, tell them i have made a diagnosis. Sepsis team bleeped within the hospital and on standby for the individual to arrive, pt arrives, bloods done immediately for lactate among other which gives team the definitive diagnosis and prognosis outcomes in mortality probabilities (death) for the patient and also enables the most suitable treatment plan at the time of presentation along with all other previous medical conditions, biochemical results which are held within the patient electronic record. Bloods can be taken but if the results cannot be viewed in real time this has massive implications for patients outcomes.

 

Electronic record holds a simply staggering amount of information which enables the clinician to hopefully make the correct diagnosis and implement the most effective treatment plans for best outcomes for the individual so it cannot be underestimated. Yes i fully understand where you are coming from you can make a diagnosis or differentional but only to a point, it is then that other information that is already held or will become clear from tests which are requested that will give the information as much as possible to enable a correct treatment plan to complete an episode of care.

 

Unfortunately i do not think we will ever see the day where MRSA will be a thing of the past it is an natural part of our physiology and endemic within the world. with with 1 in 3 people carrying it and 1 in 30 being colonised and 65 million people in the uk and antimicrobial resistance on the rise for the last 15 years it is worldwide problem not just in developed countries. Solid infection control measures are what is needed to reduce risks to the patient to a minimum with that that maladie, however that is a whole subject within itself and one i could natter on about forever.

 

Hope this helps a little.

 

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