lancer425 Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 what is the legal situation on taking a gun on a train keeping it with you either by your side or on the rack above you? I was thinking of using a aluminum gun case i have and disassembling the Gun a SXS shotgun. What is the law regarding ammo too, can it be taken with you. If its legal it would make my life a little easier, thats all . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I think you would have to see the train operators policy on it. The best way would be in a case that isn't shaped like a gun so a brake down case would be best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlewis Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) I bought my .308 in London and traveled back on train with it in a Aim drag bag, I did take the bolt out and kept it in my pocket also the rifle never left my side nothing said by ticket collector. If I had ammo that would of been kept on myself (never had any). As it is not on show in public place and with bolt not with rifle action you are not braking the law. Edited June 11, 2017 by johnlewis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rupert Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 The rack is fine,if travelling alone take it to the buffet car when you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Each train company will have it's own policy but be discreet and you'll be fine,just remember to take it with you when you get off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I think you would have to see the train operators policy on it. This ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I remember when you put it and ammo along with your dog/s in the Guards van and got a smart salute from the Guard, who often had to move some day old chicks in boxes to a place away from the dogs. Good old days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_fox Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Railway byelaws: Potentially dangerous items Except with written permission from an Operator or an authorised person, no person shall bring with him or allow to remain on the railway any item which, in the opinion of an authorised person, may threaten, annoy, soil or damage any person or any property. If any person in charge of an item contrary to Byelaw 2(1) is asked by an authorised person to remove it and fails to do so immediately, it may be removed by or under the direction of an authorised person. I'm guessing that the interpretation of this isn't going to be up to you... My suggestion, be very discreet about and you'll be okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ips Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Regardless of the legality personally I am not keen on the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 Railway byelaws: Potentially dangerous items[/size] Except with written permission from an Operator or an authorised person, no person shall bring with him or allow to remain on the railway any item which, in the opinion of an authorised person, may threaten, annoy, soil or damage any person or any property. [/size] If any person in charge of an item contrary to Byelaw 2(1) is asked by an authorised person to remove it and fails to do so immediately, it may be removed by or under the direction of an authorised person. [/size] I'm guessing that the interpretation of this isn't going to be up to you... My suggestion, be very discreet about and you'll be okay. If you look in the national conditions of carriage there is a section relating to what can and can't be carried.IIRC the carriage of unloaded guns is down to the individual train operating company. I'd put a decent amount of money on the guard not knowing the rule either hence be discreet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 It's not really a drama. Put it in the aluminium box and crack on. When was the last time anyone asked you what was in your luggage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I'd keep it buy your side ... a mate of mine had his bag nicked out of an overhead rack .. Apparently a planned operation involving an attractive lady in a short skirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted June 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I wont be carrying it in anything looks gun shaped its in an old alloy gun case square locked and in the padding diagonally its not quite 30 inch long overall, i suppose people in the know would recognize it as a gun case but i could wrap it in black packaging plastic i suppose then it would be very well disguised. Myself Like ips in not too keen on the whole idea, but i am exchanging the gun for a van from a friend up there. any other method involves another body to drive it back this way its just me and my time. Would make life easy if i do it this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Scotland Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 If you take it apart and put it in a box rap it in brown paper and put a nice bow on it or go the full hog and rap in wedding paper stay away from the bar then who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I took a trip from Southampton airport with a hard case and a big red 'firearm' sticker that wouldnt come off. Southwest i now know strictly dont permit firearms but they did not object at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SxS Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I'd be tempted to take a small cable lock and also discretely lock the case to something immobile (the table leg or similar). I use a ski lock for this whenever I've had to take musical instruments on the train. Just stops them being casually lifted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 When I ran a shooting ground, I had 1 Guy who came by train most weeks with his S x S wrapped in brown paper, stuffed under his arm ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 I assume its a shotgun? If you dont have a case split it down and wrap it in bubble wrap, wrap the 2 lots together and wrap it in packing tape, Put it in a holdall and keep it with you, bubble wrap will give it some protection and bulk it out a bit to fill the bag. If its in a case and you can borrow a big enough holdall, zip tie the case shut and do as above. Get a window seat (preferably on a 2 set) and put it infront of you with your foot through the handle - if you go outside rush hour you may have the block of seats to yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) I just don't bother telling anyone, so it's never been an issue. Edited June 11, 2017 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) Wouldn't think twice about it. Break it down and carry it in something that doesn't look like a gun case, a tatty holdall, rucksack or Aldi "bag for life" wrapped or covered in clothes or similar. In the luggage rack above your seat or by your feet and don't leave it unattended. Don't see what the fuss is about. Edited June 11, 2017 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belly47 Posted June 11, 2017 Report Share Posted June 11, 2017 (edited) I sold my old hmr to a policeman and he travelled down from Hertfordshire on the train to collect it. was in it's original box and a couple of bin bags. no problem at all Edited June 11, 2017 by belly47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) There are a lot of people who travel to Bisley via Brookwood station in the summer when the competitions are on. Many stay at the Union Jack Club in Waterloo Edited June 12, 2017 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_fox Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 Never leave anything valuable in the luggage rack above you - too easy to steal. I know so many people that have lost bags that way. Same goes for hand luggage on planes too. In the luggage rack above your seat... https://youtu.be/JPLbTwRpW50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Railway byelaws: Potentially dangerous items Except with written permission from an Operator or an authorised person, no person shall bring with him or allow to remain on the railway any item which, in the opinion of an authorised person, may threaten, annoy, soil or damage any person or any property. If any person in charge of an item contrary to Byelaw 2(1) is asked by an authorised person to remove it and fails to do so immediately, it may be removed by or under the direction of an authorised person. I'm guessing that the interpretation of this isn't going to be up to you... My suggestion, be very discreet about and you'll be okay. Interesting. So presumably, as long as it doesn't look like you're going to beat anyone over the head with it, an unloaded - and therefore harmless - rifle or shotgun is fine. What a mess they'd get into with the second bullet point though! How does a train guard, not in possession of a shotgun certificate, legally remove or direct someone to remove a shotgun from your possession...? Assuming of course, there isn't a BTP constable on hand to do the necessary... I'm just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 The quoted above is nothing to do with taking guns on trains,below I have lifted from the national conditions of carriage. Items permitted at the discretion of individual Train Companies, for which a fee may be payable Item Mobility scooters Canoes; surfboards; sailboards Skis and ski-boards; golf equipment; other sports equipment except where shown as not permitted below Musical Instruments exceeding these dimensions, 30 x 70 x 90 cm which are also set out in Unloaded guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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