old man Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 Plastic bottles. Looks like the UK will be tabbed again as responsible for the oceans plastic waste problem? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 It’s a ‘fake’ problem. We recycle plastics via household waste. Most plastic going into the sea from here is due to flooding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 The UK government levy an extra charge on plastic packaging etc for UK citizens.......whilst the rest of the world will just carry on dumping plastic, most of which will end up in the sea.......but never mind the UK Government will be seen to being doing something!........Even if everyone knows without the rest of the world complying........it will have little or no effect! Except that the the UK government can squeeze a few extra quid for the exchequer, out of the ordinary UK tax payer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 They could use glass and paper for packaging, problem solved! A bit like the palaver over diesels, by putting people of diesels car in favour of petrol diesel emissions are down but co2 emissions are up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 I have seen reference to 2 different studies recently that suggest 90% of the plastic waste in the ocean comes from only 10 river systems, none of which are western European. Despite the UK not being a massive contributor to plastic waste, I am happy to see initiatives to reduce our reliance on plastic, especially within packaging materials. Excess packaging is something that really grates me. I do agree that a levy on plastic without any practical initiative that can demonstrate a reduction in plastic use is nothing other than opportunism and effectively a tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 How did we ever get along without a plastic bottle of expensive water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 personally, I don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 We have a scheme at work where they put a sticker on all plastic bottles and cans the university sells at catering outlets or vending machines , and we can put them in a recycling machine and get a 10 pence voucher that can be redeemed against food or drink or cash or donated to student causes When it first came out it was easy free money and i could get £30 extra a shift just picking up bottles or cans students where to lazy to recycle now everybody seems to have clicked its free easy money and i struggle to get between a £10 and £20 butthere talking about bring his scheme out all over scotland and they sell the scrap bottles and cans to some foreign country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Shredder. Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Pistol p said: personally, I don't care. About what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 17 hours ago, Pigeon Shredder. said: About what? About being blamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeon controller Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 During various night fishing trips after the Warwickshire Avon Barbel, when the bankside vegitation dies it is covered in plastic bottles subsequently when the river floods they all go south to the sea. My solution, Glass bottle with a fifty pence deposit returnable, I can then scoure the riverbank and pay for my fishing. Simples!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev56 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 We used to have a levy on glass bottles, i would get 3d on a beer bottle returned to the off-licence in our local pub, and similar to the corona lorry. It used to give us some pocket money, there was no bottle litter and it worked. What went wrong with that system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 Profit. There's stacks of bucks to be made in rubbish and recycling and you're not allowed to make a small fortune from it without spending a large fortune getting there. If we all had separated skips for separated rubbish in each street, as neighbourhoods we'd be better off after weighing it in. But you can't do that, only the councils can do that and you're going to pay them to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 40 years ago we knew nothing by modern standards, meat and all confectionary was wrapped in brown paper, chips were wrapped in news paper and all drinks were in glass bottles with a refund now supermarket packaging fills the bin , nobody knows where their food comes from still not sure if we are going forwards or backwards regards footprint / pollution etc less affluent country's nothing goes to waste recycled one way or another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 On 22/12/2017 at 19:13, panoma1 said: The UK government levy an extra charge on plastic packaging etc for UK citizens.......whilst the rest of the world will just carry on dumping plastic, most of which will end up in the sea.......but never mind the UK Government will be seen to being doing something!........Even if everyone knows without the rest of the world complying........it will have little or no effect! Except that the the UK government can squeeze a few extra quid for the exchequer, out of the ordinary UK tax payer! True. Most of the plastic washed up on our shores came off passing ships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 9 hours ago, krugerandsmith said: True. Most of the plastic washed up on our shores came off passing ships. Erm... no, it didn’t come off of ships, I know it’s an easy option to pass the blame to ships but there are very strict rules about what we can/can’t dump in the ocean, so struck intact that we can’t even dump clean water from one part of the world in another part, so there is definitely no plastic coming from ships. oh and the fine for any ship dumping materials that the shouldn’t be is more or less unlimited, just last yeah (2016) princess cruises was fined $40,000,000 for something similar to this, so no, it’s not coming from ships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Princess cruises must be pretty annoyed being fined 40 million for something they didn't do then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Tim Kelly said: Princess cruises must be pretty annoyed being fined 40 million for something they didn't do then! Yeah there’s always companies that will want to break the law just like there’s people that will always want to break the law, but 99% of ships and there companies wouldn’t do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Quote Erm... no, it didn’t come off of ships...............so there is definitely no plastic coming from ships. Quote Yeah there’s always companies that will want to break the law just like there’s people that will always want to break the law, but 99% of ships and there companies wouldn’t do it You were very definite, but seem to have modified your stance. Perhaps this company were one of the few caught. Where do you get your figure of 99% from? I trust it isn't just an estimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 52 minutes ago, Jay1234 said: Yeah there’s always companies that will want to break the law just like there’s people that will always want to break the law, but 99% of ships and there companies wouldn’t do it just googled 'ships fined for dumping rubbish in sea' think your 99% of not dumping stuff in the sea is a bit out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 If the rest of the world take part or not we should set an example and glass bottles sounds like a move in the right direction. We could also look at cartridges. Do they have to be plastic. Maybe an extra levy on plastic to help us move to paper. You can't love the countryside and then step aside from protecting what you love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay1234 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 14 minutes ago, oowee said: If the rest of the world take part or not we should set an example and glass bottles sounds like a move in the right direction. We could also look at cartridges. Do they have to be plastic. Maybe an extra levy on plastic to help us move to paper. You can't love the countryside and then step aside from protecting what you love. Paper would be good, not sure how we would get around the wet weather side of things but I’m sure there would be a way around it, good idea tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 1 hour ago, oowee said: If the rest of the world take part or not we should set an example and glass bottles sounds like a move in the right direction. We could also look at cartridges. Do they have to be plastic. Maybe an extra levy on plastic to help us move to paper. You can't love the countryside and then step aside from protecting what you love. Guns on their own don't kill people, people kill people.........do you stop people killing people, by controlling/banning guns?........equally plastic cannot on its own pollute the sea, people pollute the sea!.......introducing an extra levy on plastic is missing the target!..........placing a financial levy onto the pollutant, costs everyone........whilst ignoring the actual polluter Most responsible people do not drop litter, so why should we all pay for the actions of the few??...............Yep! its easier to penalise everyone than catch and penalise the offenders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Guns on their own don't kill people, people kill people.........do you stop people killing people, by controlling/banning guns?........equally plastic cannot on its own pollute the sea, people pollute the sea!.......introducing an extra levy on plastic is missing the target!..........placing a financial levy onto the pollutant, costs everyone........whilst ignoring the actual polluter Most responsible people do not drop litter, so why should we all pay for the actions of the few??...............Yep! its easier to penalise everyone than catch and penalise the offenders! Your last paragraph being the sole corner stone of our legal system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 2 hours ago, Jay1234 said: Yeah there’s always companies that will want to break the law just like there’s people that will always want to break the law, but 99% of ships and there companies wouldn’t do it Its interesting you say that because it flies completely in the face of what my mate Gordon (not our Gordon on here) said recently. After he came out of the Navy he worked for two years on the cruise liners as an engineering officer. He worked on one of the really big names cruising fairly long haul cruises. Admittedly it was about 30 years ago. About 3am every morning , when the passengers were asleep, absolutely everything went over the back of the boat. All the meat, fish etc cooked every day was kept in massive freezers packed floor to ceiling in polystyrene stacking cases and hundreds of empty ones went over the side every night, plus all the cabin waste, shampoo bottles razors etc , bar waste, bottles (many plastic) etc. His was only one of many ship working in that same part of the world Around the pacific rim there are at least five or six countries who still dump all their waste into the sea where the current takes it away. If you go back twenty or more years ago it would have been sixty, including London who did the same dumping barges of waste and sewage into the North sea, so lets not get smug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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