Ultrastu Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Great vid on utube uploaded today . Answers a lot of the questions recently rasied in a closed thread. Sorry cant do links. If some one could that would be great . Just type the title into utube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Thanks v much 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastair0903 Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Good video, personally think 32g 5 can well outperform my ability! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Good video presented by a well informed young man. I personally think comparing a 9" target to the vulnerable parts of a pheasant's body is rather optimistic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Didn't really prove much apart from how open distant patterns are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, sitsinhedges said: Didn't really prove much apart from how open distant patterns are. Isn't that exactly the point ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 His conclusion was 55 yds .as a nice comfortable max range .for both the 45 grm no4 and 32 grm no5 ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 I didn't watch the video having read Ultra's last comment and I agree with the 55yrd limit for a 99% chance of a clean kill and less for lighter shot and shot loads, over that then there is too much of a chance of wounding. I shoot a 410 almost exclisively but I would not attempt to shoot at any bird I did not think my gun would kill and that is 35 - 40yrds absolutely maximum. I am also there to 'hunt' not to prove my shooting capability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, Hamster said: Good video presented by a well informed young man. I personally think comparing a 9" target to the vulnerable parts of a pheasant's body is rather optimistic though. Yep, that's twice the size of a hen and 50% bigger than a cock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsDad Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, wymberley said: Yep, that's twice the size of a hen and 50% bigger than a cock. And its stationary ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hod Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, Hamster said: Good video presented by a well informed young man. Very much this. I’ve seen several of their videos and was of the same opinion even before watching this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 it's a static target getting the full string of shot so possibly less pellet hits with moving target?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotgcoalman Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 Today (after reading the locked thread) Fact. My home loaded subs are good to 50 yards on magpies. so I pushed the range on boxes and then paper. 70 yards on a "38 by 26 cm" target (it was a box) using 32g#4 home loaded subs and 28g # 7.5 shop bought subs. pellet strike was 14 for the 32g and only 3 pellets more for the 28g. suerly the 28g should have had more hits due to the much higher pellet count? To dispell the myth of the 90 yard certain kill. (90 yards is for haidressing types) 100 yard target (a piece of lining wallpaper) 2 feet or so square. couldn't land 1 pellet with the 28g (either got the hold wrong or the spread was so wide it totally missed) Best I managed with the 32g home load was a 4 pellet strike which a herd of cows could have passed through un hurt. If I went to a clay ground and they wey flinging clays in excess of 50 yards away I'd walk away, A decent simulation of what you feel comfortatable shooting in the field is what I want not a stupid distance hit miss maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) I’ve shot clays over 50yards with a 28bore broke everyone I shot at. Watched by friends who couldn’t hit it with a 12 bore. Choke and the cartridge have a lot to do with your pattern. Edited November 9, 2018 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumfelter Posted November 8, 2018 Report Share Posted November 8, 2018 48 minutes ago, figgy said: I’ve shot clays over 50yards with a 28borebrome everyone I shot at. Watched by friends who couldn’t hit it with a 12 bore. Choke and the cartridge have a lot to do with your pattern. Ever thought of trying out for the GB Olympic squad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 7 hours ago, gotgcoalman said: Today (after reading the locked thread) Fact. My home loaded subs are good to 50 yards on magpies. so I pushed the range on boxes and then paper. 70 yards on a "38 by 26 cm" target (it was a box) using 32g#4 home loaded subs and 28g # 7.5 shop bought subs. pellet strike was 14 for the 32g and only 3 pellets more for the 28g. suerly the 28g should have had more hits due to the much higher pellet count? To dispell the myth of the 90 yard certain kill. (90 yards is for haidressing types) 100 yard target (a piece of lining wallpaper) 2 feet or so square. couldn't land 1 pellet with the 28g (either got the hold wrong or the spread was so wide it totally missed) Best I managed with the 32g home load was a 4 pellet strike which a herd of cows could have passed through un hurt. If I went to a clay ground and they wey flinging clays in excess of 50 yards away I'd walk away, A decent simulation of what you feel comfortatable shooting in the field is what I want not a stupid distance hit miss maybe. Interesting, but not unexpected findings, the locked thread was just a "willy-waving contest" for some posters. It would be good to repeat your experiment with the sheet of lining paper at 50, 55, 60, 65 and 70 yds to see where certain loads lose their effectiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Stumfelter there are a lot of very good shots in this country. Lots don’t have the time or want to take it to the next level. Just because I was hitting the clays that day don’t mean I’m on form all the time. 50 yards ain’t that far to hit consistently. Pace it out and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, hod said: Very much this. I’ve seen several of their videos and was of the same opinion even before watching this one. To be fair and to give credit where it's due, a similar study got the same results some 105 years ago and was carried out with the pattern plate (7 feet square) at similar ranges except it was positioned vertically - but placed horizontally - up where the birds are. Edited November 9, 2018 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Somewhat backs up what I said on the other thread, though I would have liked to have seen full sized "conventional" patterns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 A pattern plate cannot surely reflect in any way the shot string? Whilst there may be say ten pellets shown in a circle some will have arrived at the target before others. A moving target going across the circle might have been struck by three pellets whilst the ten arrived in the circle at different times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted November 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 Exactly a pattern plate is a best case scenario especially for a crossing bird a flying head on bird might get all the pellets but then a bird head on presents a smaller target usually . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 48 minutes ago, JDog said: A pattern plate cannot surely reflect in any way the shot string? Whilst there may be say ten pellets shown in a circle some will have arrived at the target before others. A moving target going across the circle might have been struck by three pellets whilst the ten arrived in the circle at different times. I asked the same question in the locked thread, wymberly pointed out that "extreme 4's and 3/4 choke at 50 metres the last shot arrives 45ms after the first" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 To all intents and purposes what you see is what you get with pattern plates; yes some pellets will have arrived a nano nano nano second later but the target simply does not move fast or far enough enough within the cloud for it to matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted November 9, 2018 Report Share Posted November 9, 2018 That's the thing with pattern plates or card in this case it might be stationery but you can still shoot high, low, left, right, of it and that will effect where the centre of the pattern hits, another shooter could of got totally different results shooting next to him with the same gun and ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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