B725 Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 Yesterday while game shooting I tried an experiment to see if it is really worth the cost of specialist game cartridges. Both types were Gamebore 32g fibre 6 shot . Over the day it became clear to me that both types shot just as well as each other, I am by no means the best of shots but happy with what I do. So based on what I did yesterday for me it's not worth the extra cost of game cartridges and I will stick to the Clear Pigeon cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, B725 said: Yesterday while game shooting I tried an experiment to see if it is really worth the cost of specialist game cartridges. Both types were Gamebore 32g fibre 6 shot . Over the day it became clear to me that both types shot just as well as each other, I am by no means the best of shots but happy with what I do. So based on what I did yesterday for me it's not worth the extra cost of game cartridges and I will stick to the Clear Pigeon cartridges. And if you cut those cartridges open to examin the contents I would bet good money that there would be no difference. Every year as we approach the Game Season cartridge prices and cartridge boxes change to catch those with more money than sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted December 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 That's what I thought, just another way of getting you to spend more money for something that's no better or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 You don't need to cough up for clear pigeon either. Pigeon Power or Superfast work equally as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 I know the bloke that designed gamebore wild game, the original ones were loaded to he's spec, but after that it was more likely they had whatever gamebore had going. I saw a thread on here once about them and whoever posted it said something along the lines of the batch number on the wild game matched the one for clear pigeon, I'm willing to be in a blind test 99% wouldn't know the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, Farmboy91 said: I know the bloke that designed gamebore wild game, the original ones were loaded to he's spec, but after that it was more likely they had whatever gamebore had going. I saw a thread on here once about them and whoever posted it said something along the lines of the batch number on the wild game matched the one for clear pigeon, I'm willing to be in a blind test 99% wouldn't know the difference. Are wild game not the export version of clear pigeon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 I find the recoil softer with my preferred game cartridges, clay loads are particularly harsh in a light SBS game gun! Probably not so noticeable in a 7 1/2lb O/U or a S/A?....are most pigeon/clay type cartridges not of a higher velocity than traditional game loads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, HW95J said: Are wild game not the export version of clear pigeon? From what he was saying the are a similar cart but the original wild game was loaded with a high bird powder, I know they were loaded in a green case but the newer ones a packaged in a clear pigeon case with different writing. He never mentioned anything about export ,its possible though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW95J Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 Just something I've seen written on the forum at some point. Might explain the batch number being the same if it's just a different box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 Pigeon and game bird cartridges ? Explain to me the difference of a woodpigeon in the middle of the pattern and a pheasant or partridge in the middle of the pattern, slightly different size I know. It's all a load of bunkum. Sales hype. Mzl velocity and shot size are the main contributors to good killing power added to well designed wadding. Fancy boxes with all sorts of promises and an inch and a half of 'brass' have little effect on the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Pigeon and game bird cartridges ? Explain to me the difference of a woodpigeon in the middle of the pattern and a pheasant or partridge in the middle of the pattern, slightly different size I know. It's all a load of bunkum. Sales hype. Mzl velocity and shot size are the main contributors to good killing power added to well designed wadding. Fancy boxes with all sorts of promises and an inch and a half of 'brass' have little effect on the result. Emphasising the middle of the pattern, then the answer - using the BASC figures - is the need for 120 and 60 (catering for the hen) pellets respectively which has nothing to do with the accuracy of the post but simply answers the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Pigeon and game bird cartridges ? Explain to me the difference of a woodpigeon in the middle of the pattern and a pheasant or partridge in the middle of the pattern, slightly different size I know. It's all a load of bunkum. Sales hype. Mzl velocity and shot size are the main contributors to good killing power added to well designed wadding. Fancy boxes with all sorts of promises and an inch and a half of 'brass' have little effect on the result. But not too much MV or the pattern is spoilt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Farmboy91 said: From what he was saying the are a similar cart but the original wild game was loaded with a high bird powder, I know they were loaded in a green case but the newer ones a packaged in a clear pigeon case with different writing. He never mentioned anything about export ,its possible though? High bird powder?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy91 Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, dipper said: High bird powder?? I'm pretty sure that's the words he used, from a game cart maybe? Not pretending I know the ins and outs lol just passing on what I was told. Maybe someone on here knows a few of gamebores recipes? Edited December 29, 2018 by Farmboy91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B525 LIGHT Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 I’m going further still and turning to steel for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) I have fired enough cartridges at pattern plates , sheets of cardboard , large boxes to realise that every cartridge I fire will have a different pattern. There is just no way to regulate pellets to strike in the same place every time. The aim is to centre the pattern on the target. With the proper load, wadding choke it is possible to get a fairly consistent result but a pigeon, partridge, cock pheasant or hen pheasant, woodcock, snipe, crow etc etc., in the middle of that pattern is in trouble if all these different things are in place and as tightchoke says too MUCH power can sometimes blow a pattern, but not always ....always doesn't apply. I have found over the years that the trick is to find a load which is comforatble to shoot and kills cleanly when you do your job. Before you change cartridges probably better to seek out a good coach/teacher. Whatever , let's be honest, humans always blame their tools, it's in their nature. Edited December 29, 2018 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 hours ago, panoma1 said: I find the recoil softer with my preferred game cartridges, clay loads are particularly harsh in a light SBS game gun! Probably not so noticeable in a 7 1/2lb O/U or a S/A?....are most pigeon/clay type cartridges not of a higher velocity than traditional game loads? Nope they just tell you they are mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Walker570 said: I have fired enough cartridges at pattern plates , sheets of cardboard , large boxes to realise that every cartridge I fire will have a different pattern. There is just no way to regulate pellets to strike in the same place every time. The aim is to centre the pattern on the target. With the proper load, wadding choke it is possible to get a fairly consistent result but a pigeon, partridge, cock pheasant or hen pheasant, woodcock, snipe, crow etc etc., in the middle of that pattern is in trouble if all these different things are in place and as tightchoke says too MUCH power can sometimes blow a pattern, but not always ....always doesn't apply. I have found over the years that the trick is to find a load which is comforatble to shoot and kills cleanly when you do your job. Before you change cartridges probably better to seek out a good coach/teacher. Whatever , let's be honest, humans always blame their tools, it's in their nature. Surely, as we're talking about a scatter gun, it goes without saying that we don't expect to put pellet on pellet shot after shot. Anyone going to a pattern plate expecting to see just that is going to be there for an awful long time A pattern check is designed so that the pellet spread can be checked for a reasonably consistent pellet strike in a given area at a level which meets the required number of strikes for any given sized quarry and reasonably well spread throughout that area with no excessively large gaps. And as ever for a shotgun, any result will be based on an average of the findings. Edited December 29, 2018 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) Exactly wymberley, but shooters do get very annal about the subject when most if not all commercial quality cartridges will do the job. Finding one which gives confidence is paramount. Edited December 29, 2018 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 3 hours ago, dipper said: High bird powder?? Instead of 'Antimony' the shot contains 'Antifreeze' I think ! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 Find a cartridge that suits your gun and choke, patterns well suits your wallet and your shoulder, then enjoy your shooting. Be it some super duper plated shot expensive game cart or a pigeon cart or even a clay cart with 6. 6 1/2 or size 7 shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 Two or three years ago i used Black Gold 32g 6s , Fiocchi Sporting PIgeon 6s and Fiocchi F3 game in 6s through the season and the Fiocchi's were easier on the shoulder and killed just as well as the Black Gold and between £75 and over £100 /1000 cheaper, guess what i don't buy now. Also Eley pigeon Select if i can't get Fiocchi's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted December 29, 2018 Report Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) Eley pigeon select gets my vote £55 a slab no6 fibre wad no brainer for my standard of game shooting. Edited December 29, 2018 by Remimax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk70 Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 Does any one know the difference in preformance between eley vip and Grand Prix hv 32grm 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted December 30, 2018 Report Share Posted December 30, 2018 PSB1 and PSB+1 are two similar but different powders with about 50ft/sec difference. No note of primer, powder weight or antimony % but powder might be only difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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