European election voting

[Dekers]

4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Dont take 'the bus' away from them man, they need the bus argument , its all theyve got 🤣 

Except for the unicorns, whatever theyve got to do with it ??

You know I've never given it that much thought before but you're right.

Threats of impending doom, mass unemployment, collapsing economy, wholesale departures of banks/businesses etc from the UK, the countries security down the toilet have NOT materialised.    If anything the complete opposite has happened, I understand the UK currently has the fastest growing economy in the EU, and employment is much higher than when we voted to leave.

 

[Raja Clavata]

Besides the obvious point we haven't actually left yet, and still far from clear that we ever will.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

But thank heavens for small mercies eh?

[JohnfromUK]

9 minutes ago, Dekers said:

If anything the complete opposite has happened, I understand the UK currently has the fastest growing economy in the EU, and employment is much higher than when we voted to leave.

Though Brexit hasn't harmed that - but if we leave with no deal, there will be at least a 'bit of a glitch' which will take a little time to pass. 

The real reason the economy and particularly employment are doing well is because we have become a relatively lean, low tax, low public spending economy - serious about 'balancing the books'.  That has brought both investment and employment.  IF we leave the EU we can take this further without their burden of bureaucracy and regulation - and we can do even better.

If we go back to the old Labour ways of high tax and high public spending and borrowing, it will all be thrown away and unemployment will rise.  It ALWAYS does under Labour.

[henry d]

18 minutes ago, Dekers said:

I understand the UK currently has the fastest growing economy in the EU...

Where did you get your understanding, as a quick google gives me Poland as the fastest growing economy of the EU, slightly ahead of Romania

[Rewulf]

8 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Besides the obvious point we haven't actually left yet, and still far from clear that we ever will.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/670281/David-Cameron-Brexit-EU-referendum-leave-European-Union-Remain-recession

'The Prime Minister is likely to face fresh accusations of scaremongering after warning the nation would suffer an "immediate and sustained hit” if it severs ties with Brussels in the upcoming referendum.'

"If we vote to leave on June 23 we will be voting for higher prices, we will be voting for fewer jobs, we will be voting for lower growth, we will be voting potentially for a recession. "That is the last thing our economy needs."

 

In a statement issued by Number 10, he said the EIB had poured £16billion into projects in the UK over the past three years, helping to finance new trains, motorway extensions and research and development facilities.

He said: ”With a smaller economy hit by new trading barriers and job losses, it's unlikely we'd be able to find that money from alternative sources. "A Leave vote risks putting the brakes on the infrastructure investment we need and shifting our economy into reverse."

But no problem finding £80 bn for HS2 ?

'Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says.'

'David Cameron said it was the "self-destruct option" for the country.'

[TIGHTCHOKE]

[Raja Clavata]

13 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/670281/David-Cameron-Brexit-EU-referendum-leave-European-Union-Remain-recession

'The Prime Minister is likely to face fresh accusations of scaremongering after warning the nation would suffer an "immediate and sustained hit” if it severs ties with Brussels in the upcoming referendum.'

"If we vote to leave on June 23 we will be voting for higher prices, we will be voting for fewer jobs, we will be voting for lower growth, we will be voting potentially for a recession. "That is the last thing our economy needs."

 

In a statement issued by Number 10, he said the EIB had poured £16billion into projects in the UK over the past three years, helping to finance new trains, motorway extensions and research and development facilities.

He said: ”With a smaller economy hit by new trading barriers and job losses, it's unlikely we'd be able to find that money from alternative sources. "A Leave vote risks putting the brakes on the infrastructure investment we need and shifting our economy into reverse."

But no problem finding £80 bn for HS2 ?

'Leaving the European Union would tip the UK into a year-long recession, with up to 820,000 jobs lost within two years, Chancellor George Osborne says.'

'David Cameron said it was the "self-destruct option" for the country.'

No problem for me if Dave is the next one in the dock.

[old'un]

 

Cut and pasted from a recent news article.

The UK will sink to the bottom of the European economic growth league next year to join Italy as the slowest-growing economy in the EU, before falling further the year after to anchor the table alone, according to European commission forecasts.

The EU’s gloomy predictions are based on a soft Brexit – meaning Britain is expected to lag behind all its EU peers even if Theresa May can reach a deal with Brussels before 29 March.

 

Makes you wonder how much of this is another attempt by the EU to put a halt to Brexit by putting out scare news.

[old man]

1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said:

No problem for me if Dave is the next one in the dock.

Maybe John Major and all of his mates first, for getting us into the murky world of 'closer political union'?

 

[Rewulf]

4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

No problem for me if Dave is the next one in the dock.

Maybe Corbyn for making fake claims about tuition fees, or Abbott saying she can finance a police force for 2 and 6 ?

Anyone can crowd fund and bring a private prosecution, doesnt mean its going anywhere.
Lets not get carried away like its the CPS are prosecuting Boris, and hes going down for it.
Its highly likely the £200,000 war chest was  was 'donated using the dodgy £499 rule and most of it comes via open society.org.

Which will probably become apparent at some point, just like it did with Ms Millers foray into legal land.

[henry d]

18 minutes ago, old'un said:

Cut and pasted from a recent news article.

The UK will sink to the bottom of the European economic growth league next year to join Italy as the slowest-growing economy in the EU, before falling further the year after to anchor the table alone, according to European commission forecasts.

The EU’s gloomy predictions are based on a soft Brexit – meaning Britain is expected to lag behind all its EU peers even if Theresa May can reach a deal with Brussels before 29 March.

Makes you wonder how much of this is another attempt by the EU to put a halt to Brexit by putting out scare news.

You need to read all of the article, here`s some more from it to back it up and isn`t from the EU

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The commission forecasts came as the International Monetary Fund also sounded the alarm over the mounting risks from no-deal Brexit, while warning about the threat from trade disputes around the world and high levels of Italian government debt.

In the IMF’s latest health check on the region, it warned the European economy would probably run into turbulence in the next few years.

The Washington-based fund said all likely Brexit outcomes would have a negative cost for the economy, although it warned a no-deal scenario would have the biggest downsides.

“No-deal Brexit would lead to high trade and non-trade barriers between the UK and the rest of the EU, with negative consequences for growth,” it said.

 

[oowee]

53 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Though Brexit hasn't harmed that - but if we leave with no deal, there will be at least a 'bit of a glitch' which will take a little time to pass. 

The real reason the economy and particularly employment are doing well is because we have become a relatively lean, low tax, low public spending economy - serious about 'balancing the books'.  That has brought both investment and employment.  IF we leave the EU we can take this further without their burden of bureaucracy and regulation - and we can do even better.

If we go back to the old Labour ways of high tax and high public spending and borrowing, it will all be thrown away and unemployment will rise.  It ALWAYS does under Labour.

Nothing to do with the fall in the pound and the access to EU labour keeping our production costs competitive then? 

Investment (in goods) has been largely attracted by our easy in easy out labour laws making us attractive as a base to serve the EU. 

The bureaucracy will increase several fold as we seek to deal with tariff and standards whilst complying with the rules of the large trading blocks. 

[ditchman]

arrrr quit worrying ......it will all be fine..................................someone has already pulled the plug on the swamp it just takes a while for all the excrement to drain away......just need to rod it now and then to help it along.............

[Dekers]

18 minutes ago, henry d said:

You need to read all of the article, here`s some more from it to back it up and isn`t from the EU

 

Come on henry, virtually every Economist in the UK and round the world, the IMF, the Bank of England as well as the EU and the UK Government predicted total collapse of the UK economy if we voted to leave, they were ALL wrong!

[oowee]

3 minutes ago, ditchman said:

arrrr quit worrying ......it will all be fine..................................someone has already pulled the plug on the swamp it just takes a while for all the excrement to drain away......just need to rod it now and then to help it along.............

Your absolutely right. We will be fine. It may well mean that my wife works a little longer 🙂 which will keep her out of my hair 🤣

[JohnfromUK]

14 minutes ago, oowee said:

Nothing to do with the fall in the pound and the access to EU labour keeping our production costs competitive then? 

Investment (in goods) has been largely attracted by our easy in easy out labour laws making us attractive as a base to serve the EU. 

The bureaucracy will increase several fold as we seek to deal with tariff and standards whilst complying with the rules of the large trading blocks. 

In fact the pound has fallen, but not greatly - especially as it was riding high at the referendum having been talked up by belief that the outcome would be remain.  Since the initial 'turbulence' it has been on its usual ups and downs, not much else.

"Investment (in goods) has been largely attracted by our easy in easy out labour laws making us attractive as a base" - and that is in many ways a good thing.  When employment is relatively high - and unemployment (among those wishing to work) low, easy in easy out has advantages in many ways.

"The bureaucracy will increase several fold as we seek to deal with tariff and standards whilst complying with the rules of the large trading blocks."  It will change, but I don't believe it will be as treat a burden.

[Rewulf]

48 minutes ago, henry d said:

You need to read all of the article, here`s some more from it to back it up and isn`t from the EU

You need to check some more up to date figures , rather than the 7 month old ones from the Guardian.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/375195/gdp-growth-forecast-comparison-uk/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48225334

The economy grew by 0.5 % in the first quarter, and is easily on track to make its now projected 1.5 % possibly better.
A growth rate comparable to France or Germany..DESPITE BREXIT.

55 minutes ago, henry d said:

The commission forecasts came as the International Monetary Fund also sounded the alarm over the mounting risks from no-deal Brexit, while warning about the threat from trade disputes around the world and high levels of Italian government debt.

In the IMF’s latest health check on the region, it warned the European economy would probably run into turbulence in the next few years.

The Washington-based fund said all likely Brexit outcomes would have a negative cost for the economy, although it warned a no-deal scenario would have the biggest downsides.

“No-deal Brexit would lead to high trade and non-trade barriers between the UK and the rest of the EU, with negative consequences for growth,” it said.

Most of this talks about the EU as a whole, not the UK per se,

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

You need to check some more up to date figures , rather than the 7 month old ones from the Guardian.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/375195/gdp-growth-forecast-comparison-uk/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48225334

The economy grew by 0.5 % in the first quarter, and is easily on track to make its now projected 1.5 % possibly better.
A growth rate comparable to France or Germany..DESPITE BREXIT.

Most of this talks about the EU as a whole, not the UK per se,

The EU is a hole, a great big gaping one!

Edited May 29, 2019 by TIGHTCHOKE
Paying attention!

[Dekers]

I just hear Boris is being taken to Court for lying on the bus about the £350 Million!???????????????

Why, is totally beyond me, every organisation agrees that we send the EU circa £350 Million every week and that is exactly what the bus says.

Apparently he did not mention we get a few million back each week in subsidies, that has nothing to do with the comment on the bus that says we send the EU £350 Million every week which is true and accurate!

 

Edited May 29, 2019 by Dekers

[Gordon R]

If Boris is convicted of a criminal offence, I will plait sawdust. Publicity stunt or what.

He is in a leadership contest, so suddenly, after three years someone gets upset. Juvenile.

[oldypigeonpopper]

5 minutes ago, Dekers said:

I just hear Boris is being taken to Court for lying on the bus about the £350 Million!???????????????

Why, is totally beyond me, every organisation agrees that we send the EU circa £350 Million a week and that is exactly what the bus says.

Apparently he did not mention we get a few million back each week in subsidies, that has nothing to do with the comment on the bus that says we send the EU £350 Million a week which is true and accurate!

 

hello, yes with crowd funding money, from remainers i would expect

Edited May 29, 2019 by oldypigeonpopper

[twenty]

1 minute ago, Dekers said:

I just hear Boris is being taken to Court for lying on the bus.

Why, is totally beyond me, every organisation agrees that we send the EU circa £350 Million a week and that is exactly what the bus says.

Apparently he did not mention we get a few million back each week in subsidies, that has nothing to do with the comment on the bus that says we send the EU £350 Million a week which is true and accurate!

 

Your right, I just checked out the figures that are quoted, and £350 Million IS the weekly payment, then we get subsidies from that.

[JohnfromUK]

3 minutes ago, Dekers said:

agrees that we send the EU circa £350 Million a week and that is exactly what the bus says.

Apparently (and I take no sides in this) we send (roughly) £350 million less our rebate which we deduct before sending - so the amount sent is (roughly) £185 milllion a week.

The whole idea that politicians tell the truth is ludicrous anyway.

• Corbyn didn't tell the truth about student fees
• Abbot didn't tell the truth about police costs
• May didn't tell the truth about leaving on 29th March
• etc.

[twenty]

2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Apparently (and I take no sides in this) we send (roughly) £350 million less our rebate which we deduct before sending - so the amount sent is (roughly) £185 milllion a week.

The whole idea that politicians tell the truth is ludicrous anyway.

• Corbyn didn't tell the truth about student fees
• Abbot didn't tell the truth about police costs
• May didn't tell the truth about leaving on 29th March
• etc.

So it should be £350 million a fortnight...........that's a lot better....