TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 What is the difference between our PM calling for a GE on the 12th of Dec that will require a two thirds majority and a GE on the 9th of Dec that will only require a majority? We have to have one, so could we end up waiting for the whole 5 year term to run out? Why are the opposition so scared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Not the 12th of December then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Is it only me that thinks 9th. 10th, 11th or 12th come January 31st we will be in the same position that we are now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, bluesj said: Is it only me that thinks 9th. 10th, 11th or 12th come January 31st we will be in the same position that we are now If the majority in Westminster have their way...........yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 you are all deluded............there will be no election....every one will scupper it somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 Lets vote on the Boris deal. Why is he blocking a deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted October 28, 2019 Report Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Students will still be at university. Those of a cynical nature might suggest that politically active students might vote twice? The primary reason though will most likely be amendments. Boris's Bill would have been unamendable. This one could have also giving the vote to sixteen year olds tagged onto it. Or maybe resident EU citizens? They can add whatever mischief they like to it. Why are they so scared? Have you seen a political poll lately? Edited October 28, 2019 by Danger-Mouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 9th would mean parliament would dissolve early and scupper Bojo's attempt to push a no deal through before it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 19 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: What is the difference between our PM calling for a GE on the 12th of Dec that will require a two thirds majority and a GE on the 9th of Dec that will only require a majority? We have to have one, so could we end up waiting for the whole 5 year term to run out? Why are the opposition so scared? Yes we could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 19 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Why are the opposition so scared? The opinion polls. On the date, people are saying that students will have gone home by 12th, but looking at a few University term end dates ... this doesn't seem to be the case. Labour activists have in the past tried to encourage them to vote at University AND have a postal vote available for their home constituencies. Then of course both can be used ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: What is the difference between our PM calling for a GE on the 12th of Dec that will require a two thirds majority and a GE on the 9th of Dec that will only require a majority? We have to have one, so could we end up waiting for the whole 5 year term to run out? Why are the opposition so scared? Labour know they won't win and could even get pushed out of opposition by the Pointless Party aka Lib Dems Edited October 29, 2019 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Yes I fully accept that. Just watching Good Morning Britain on ITV and they are discussing a proposal to take the vote away from people over 70, another REMAINER plot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 54 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Just watching Good Morning Britain on ITV and they are discussing a proposal to take the vote away from people over 70, another REMAINER plot? Isn't that just the flip side of older folk suggesting the voting age should be raised. If there are to be discussions on change from the current system then surely the ideas discussed should be all encompassing? Regarding the remainer plot, plenty here have pushed back on the notion that older folk are more inclined to be leavers, I assume from your question you are not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 I don't know a single person who has been questioned as to how they voted. Generalisations about who voted to stay or leave are simply stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 😂 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1196884/Brexit-news-latest-BBC-newsnight-general-election-parliament-boris-johnson-corbyn-labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: Isn't that just the flip side of older folk suggesting the voting age should be raised. If there are to be discussions on change from the current system then surely the ideas discussed should be all encompassing? Regarding the remainer plot, plenty here have pushed back on the notion that older folk are more inclined to be leavers, I assume from your question you are not one of them. Not aware of any campaign to raise the voting age, on the contrary, many are calling for school children to be allowed to vote, like the Jocks did! Really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Forget the Kama Sutra, Labour's positions on Brexit now look more like 50 Shades of Delay MICHAEL GOVE When does "bring on an election" mean “concoct any excuse you can” to avoid an election? When you're dealing with Jeremy Corbyn's Labour party. In the last month alone, Labour have called for a general election 50 times, but now that one has been offered, all we hear from Jeremy Corbyn and his lieutenants are spurious excuses to avoid facing the people.From bravado through prevarication to full-blooded retreat, Labour are about as steady as a tennis ball in a typhoon. Labour's twists in the wind are, however, characterised by one consistent pattern. They don't trust the people. Although their manifesto at the last election committed them to supporting our departure from the European Union, they sought at every turn to undermine the negotiations necessary to DELIVER Brexit. When the Prime Minister secured a deal, in defiance of those who said it was impossible to re-open the withdrawal agreement and ditch the backstop, Labour refused to support it. Jeremy Corbyn won’t pass the deal the PM has secured, won't explain why he's opposed to the withdrawal agreement and won’t allow the voters to decide if they back Boris's deal in a general election. Instead, Labour want to extend our membership of the European Union indefinitely, prolong Parliamentary shenanigans without any end in sight and hold the country hostage in defiance of the public's desire to get Brexit done. Labour's latest ruse to avoid either backing the deal or facing the voters is to say they won't back a general election until no deal is off the table. But the obvious way to take no deal off the table is to vote for the deal the PM has secured. And that's what they absolutely decline to do. Labour have not managed to provide any genuine, principled, objections to the withdrawal agreement. They have not been able to mount a coherent case against proceeding with the deal, they just argue for an extension of EU membership for many months more, with foreign leaders determining how long we should stay. Just when there is light at the end of the tunnel, they have called for more tunnel. They have shown, once again, that instead of making a decision they want to delay and instead of respecting democracy they want to defer to Brussels. The claim that Labour simply want more time to scrutinise the deal is transparently bogus when they have made clear they have no intention of voting for it. But this willingness to believe that the public can be gulled into trusting Labour’s good faith IS, of course, the ONE common feature of their whole approach to Brexit. They expect voters to believe that Labour should be entrusted with negotiating a better deal with the EU, which would then be the subject of another referendum, in which Labour would then reserve the right to campaign against the deal it had just spent months negotiating. Its a position so devoid of credibility, coherence or logic that IT could only have ever been adopted by the ENFEEBLED leader of a split party who believes the public can be taken for fools. The sad truth is that Jeremy Corbyn is a terminally weak leader, unable to make the decisions needed to take the country forwards, and as long as his party remains paralysed by its fear of the public it cannot be trusted to honour the promise to respect the referendum result. In stark contrast, the Prime Minister has done everything humanly possible to honour the will of the British people and get Brexit done in an orderly way. He’s faced an entrenched campaign of vexatious litigation, bad faith legislation and parliamentary procrastination but in the face of the lawyers, MPs and wealthy lobbyists trying to stop Brexit, he has secured a deal which the public want done. And if this Parliament continues to refuse to get Brexit done, then I fear it needs to let the people choose another one that will. Every day that Brexit is delayed again, every day Labour contort a new Brexit position to avoid taking a decision is another day where time is wasted on parliamentary procedure, time which could be being used to focus on people’s priorities. It is only Boris Johnson and the Conservatives that want to get Brexit done so we can focus on improving our NHS with more funding and new hospitals, tackling crime on our streets by recruiting 20,000 more police officers and increasing school funding so every child can get the best start in life. Someone once said Labour had more Brexit positions than the Kama Sutra, but now it looks more like 50 shades of delay. Jeremy Corbyn cannot, in conscience, keep running away from democracy. He must let the people decide so we can break this deadlock and move on as a proud and united country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) I've just read that Jeremy Corbyn is going to back an election and ask the Labour party to do the same. EDIT - Just seen that it comes with a condition that 'no deal' is taken off the table. Edited October 29, 2019 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 From the err, prime minister in waiting 😂 "Following a meeting with his Shadow Cabinet the Labour leader said that as a result of the EU agreeing to an extension of an Article 50 "our condition of taking No Deal off the table has now been met". December election is on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 Time to get my postal vote ordered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: From the err, prime minister in waiting 😂 "Following a meeting with his Shadow Cabinet the Labour leader said that as a result of the EU agreeing to an extension of an Article 50 "our condition of taking No Deal off the table has now been met". December election is on. How is no deal off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 3 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Yes I fully accept that. Just watching Good Morning Britain on ITV and they are discussing a proposal to take the vote away from people over 70, another REMAINER plot? That goes hand in hand with the suggestion that sixteen year olds should be allowed to vote. Yes of course it is a plot, the people who want it wouldn't be suggesting it otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, B725 said: How is no deal off? as soon as the new govt will get in...........it will be all bets off ...repeal laws.......all start again......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, ditchman said: as soon as the new govt will get in...........it will be all bets off ...repeal laws.......all start again......... Will a new government be any different from what we have now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 29, 2019 Report Share Posted October 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, B725 said: How is no deal off? Effective fall out by accident on Thursday, I imagine. Just now, oowee said: Will a new government be any different from what we have now? Yes, it will have a majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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