Dave-G Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) You couldn't make this up - I'd imagine possibly due to some stupid policy about not being made by a preferred NHS supplier who likely pay huge backhanders to become one. Investigations need to be made then a few heads must roll in high places if corruption is found. Or maybe the firms want ransom money for them, either way it needs sorting out PDQ. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/20/exclusivemillions-pieces-ppe-shipped-britain-europe-despite/ Edited April 21, 2020 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Should maybe be the only question raised by the numerous hacks invited to question the 3 stooges every evening on TV? We owe the people on the front lines the truth of this situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 My wife has just informed me that on the news it said that the reason the order from Turkey has been delayed is actually because it wasn't put in until Sunday. I can neither confirm nor deny this - but if it is the case, along with the above, somebody needs a good kicking 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Indeed, what have the procurement department been doing? Why has it suddenly become a government job to procure PPE for the NHS, when others are already paid to do this job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) hello, who are these UK firms ?? and why do they not sell direct to the hospitals or care homes ? Edited April 21, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Its much more complicated than most people on here could ever imagine. To become a supplier for the NHS, MOD etc you have to become accredited and go through a lengthy process by which both you and your products are rigourously screened. Then you get a supplier number. You can't just phone up and say you have a container load of PPE are you interested? ten grand for cash? It doesn't work like that unfortunately. They would have no way of knowing if it was fit for purpose, whether it was knock off or if it even existed . They are being bombarded I would imagine by all sorts of Arthur Daly types trying to make a quick sale at the moment What should and must change after this however is that we should pass a law saying that all vital supplies should be manufactured in the UK so we don't fall foul of this international supply chain where orders get blocked or diverted to a higher bidder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 hello, i agree on the MOD Vince, a friend years ago was a procurement officer for the MOD and he said was so much red tape in buying products Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Vince Green said: What should and must change after this however is that we should pass a law saying that all vital supplies should be manufactured in the UK so we don't fall foul of this international supply chain where orders get blocked or diverted to a higher bidder 100% - China and others can carry on making cheap disposable consumables etc. but the items required to support vital supplies and key infrastructure need to be brought home or secured with reliable partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, discobob said: My wife has just informed me that on the news it said that the reason the order from Turkey has been delayed is actually because it wasn't put in until Sunday. I can neither confirm nor deny this - but if it is the case, along with the above, somebody needs a good kicking 😞 A play on words by the hysterical media. The order was put in weeks ago , the hold up is due to the Turkish governments red tape , with the UK government asking the TK government to intervene on Sunday. Quite why we cant produce some fairly simple PPE garments in factories in this country, absolutely baffles me ! I thought this was a national emergency ? https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-only-formally-asked-turkey-for-ppe-shipment-after-it-said-it-was-already-on-its-way-11976238 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Quite why we cant produce some fairly simple PPE garments in factories in this country, absolutely baffles me ! I thought this was a national emergency ? Seen a few things on the news showing stuff getting made, but I guess it comes down to numbers available, I imagine everyone is screaming out for the stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 We might not be surprised if the Turkish supplier 'accidentally' dispatched the shipment to a higher bid buyer - or diplomatic chicanery. France tried in interrupt one shipment to us - and we apparently now block parallel exports but can't not supply EU could be reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 No just you Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 hello, what ever has been said it is still not right we are sending PPI to other countries when our NHS staff, care workers, care homes are in short supply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hod Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, what ever has been said it is still not right we are sending PPI to other countries when our NHS staff, care workers, care homes are in short supply They’re welcome to PPI, to be fair. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Time we started kicking out some of these MPs on all parties and only pay the ones who work. Same as we have done in Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 56 minutes ago, hod said: They’re welcome to PPI, to be fair. 😀 hello, i am sure the NHS staff would agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Rewulf said: A play on words by the hysterical media. The order was put in weeks ago , the hold up is due to the Turkish governments red tape , with the UK government asking the TK government to intervene on Sunday. Quite why we cant produce some fairly simple PPE garments in factories in this country, absolutely baffles me ! I thought this was a national emergency ? https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-only-formally-asked-turkey-for-ppe-shipment-after-it-said-it-was-already-on-its-way-11976238 Because we have lost the ability. Take the fruit picking situation, there are already complaints because they have not been chosen but it is a specialist job. This fruit requires picking and packing to order and it is no good whinging and whining because you are not capable. If a youngster these days can't do it on an I Pad they are lost. There are one or two seriously good parents on here who involve their kids and teach them how to do things. To set up a production facility to produce medics clothing is not an over night thing. Almost all of this high special quality artsy phartsy clothing we see for sale is produced overseas in the far eat and very little now produced here in the UK. My wife and I have alwys said should there be a nother World conflict then this country is lost. In the main the UK has become dependant. What a shame when we produced and invented almost everyhting you can think of. Read about a young woman in the Telegraph who had been rejected from fruit picking. Her main gripe was that she had to conform to the farmers rules. NUFF SAID?? Edited April 21, 2020 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Because we have lost the ability. Take the fruit picking situation, there are already complaints because they have not been chosen but it is a specialist job. This fruit requires picking and packing to order and it is no good whinging and whining because you are not capable. If a youngster these days can't do it on an I Pad they are lost. There are one or two seriously good parents on here who involve their kids and teach them how to do things. To set up a production facility to produce medics clothing is not an over night thing. Almost all of this high special quality artsy phartsy clothing we see for sale is produced overseas in the far eat and very little now produced here in the UK. My wife and I have alwys said should there be a nother World conflict then this country is lost. In the main the UK has become dependant. What a shame when we produced and invented almost everyhting you can think of. Read about a young woman in the Telegraph who had been rejected from fruit picking. Her main gripe was that she had to conform to the farmers rules. NUFF SAID?? You really do have a downer on the youth of today don’t you? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Because we have lost the ability. Take the fruit picking situation, there are already complaints because they have not been chosen but it is a specialist job. This fruit requires picking and packing to order and it is no good whinging and whining because you are not capable. If a youngster these days can't do it on an I Pad they are lost. There are one or two seriously good parents on here who involve their kids and teach them how to do things. To set up a production facility to produce medics clothing is not an over night thing. Almost all of this high special quality artsy phartsy clothing we see for sale is produced overseas in the far eat and very little now produced here in the UK. My wife and I have alwys said should there be a nother World conflict then this country is lost. In the main the UK has become dependant. What a shame when we produced and invented almost everyhting you can think of. Read about a young woman in the Telegraph who had been rejected from fruit picking. Her main gripe was that she had to conform to the farmers rules. NUFF SAID?? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11442480/brits-fruit-picking-jobs-rejected-cheaper-foreigners/ The Alliance of Ethical Labour Providers said it had received 36,000 applications of interest but only 6,000 had opted for an interview for a role. Concordia, one of the three recruitment companies in the alliance, said: “To date 900 people have explicitly rejected the roles we have offered and 112 have taken up our offer of a role on a UK farm.” It said the main barriers were the length of the contract, location of the farm, and inability to work full-time because of care responsibilities. Another recruitment firm in the alliance, Hops, said only 9% of those who had completed the recruitment process were eligible for the job. Im sure some Brits believe the work might be too hard for them, but to say the Romanians being shipped in are 'skilled' , is a massive assumption. The figures above suggest to me , Brits arent being picked for the jobs for other reasons , some of them cited in the link from the Sun. Either way, why import workers from other countries, into our supposed locked down state, and send them , unquarantined into fields and towns, when there are literally millions of home grown unemployed workers ? Tell me its not because the Romanians work cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, Scully said: You really do have a downer on the youth of today don’t you? Why? Not only 'youth' and I don't have a 'downer'. From what is reported today, the applicants imediatley backed off because they had to conform to rules. 112 out of 36 000 applications says it all in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Ah well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Scully said: You really do have a downer on the youth of today don’t you? Why? https://gen.medium.com/why-older-people-have-always-trashed-young-people-8f918529009a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstone Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, i am sure the NHS staff would agree Have you been mis-sold PPI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: https://gen.medium.com/why-older-people-have-always-trashed-young-people-8f918529009a Thanks. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Blackstone said: Have you been mis-sold PPI? hello, ah i should have said P P E sincere apologies, i blame the lockdown syndrome oh yes i was but that is another story Edited April 21, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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