12gauge82 Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 Interesting argument from trumps side as to why they believe the election was unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: Doubt it, Biden is not likely to be as isolationist as Trump. China has boomed as the world super power in the vacuum the USA left. Whilst he was a China basher he also gifted them the no.1 spot. US focus has moved to that region under Trump, I don't know if Obama did the same but neither he nor his predecessors did much to halt China's rise. China boomed well before Trump was in power, even being gifted the likes of that climate deal. He wanted Europe to defend itself against Russia (even Italy has a GDP larger than Russia's) but Germany recently had a mini-tantrum when asked to dig into it's own pockets. He has also tried to extricate itself from the Middle East and has been successful in forging a new alliance against the troublesome Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 1 minute ago, yod dropper said: US focus has moved to that region under Trump, I don't know if Obama did the same but neither he nor his predecessors did much to halt China's rise. China boomed well before Trump was in power, even being gifted the likes of that climate deal. He wanted Europe to defend itself against Russia (even Italy has a GDP larger than Russia's) but Germany recently had a mini-tantrum when asked to dig into it's own pockets. He has also tried to extricate itself from the Middle East and has been successful in forging a new alliance against the troublesome Iran. Yes I certainly think he achieved much more than Obama ever did, of that there's little doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 On 05/11/2020 at 11:17, figgy said: Less messing around with votes by despot in Africa. This in the country of the free and the brave. The lawless and rioters more like. Should put the army on the streets, start rioting or looting get shot simples. The whole voting ballot system needs a full refresh with full accountability. You've got all this multivoting by some,yet friends who married locals have citizenship pay taxes can't vote. It now appears that the computer system running the ballots is owned by Nancy Pelosi's husband. 6000 Trump votes 'accidentally' moved to Biden until someone noticed. Every counting station is outfitted with these self same computers. Hmmmmmmmm?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, Walker570 said: It now appears that the computer system running the ballots is owned by Nancy Pelosi's husband. 6000 Trump votes 'accidentally' moved to Biden until someone noticed. Every counting station is outfitted with these self same computers. Hmmmmmmmm?????? Owned or invested in? Evidence or twitter? There are loads of these allegations. Lets see what the courts make of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 This will be a three ring circus soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 8, 2020 Report Share Posted November 8, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Walker570 said: It now appears that the computer system running the ballots is owned by Nancy Pelosi's husband. 6000 Trump votes 'accidentally' moved to Biden until someone noticed. Every counting station is outfitted with these self same computers. Hmmmmmmmm?????? Incorrect. It's got nowt to do with Paul Pelosi. Her former chief of staff lobbied for it - but after no longer being the CoS. The mistake wasn't in the official counting, just a user error. The system did its job, but a stage was missed by the user in tabulating. It was spotted quickly and was sorted. It was reported by a Republican clerk and was not evidence of any fraud - as declared by both republicans and democrats on the ground in the county. It failed at the first stage of checks - not even getting to formal canvassing or final confirmation. Oh and Dominion's not used at every counting station. Some states used it, others use ES&S and there are one or two small ones too. Edited November 8, 2020 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 6 hours ago, oowee said: Owned or invested in? Evidence or twitter? There are loads of these allegations. Lets see what the courts make of it. They did move the votes to from Trump to Biden. This was even reported by CNN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: They did move the votes to from Trump to Biden. This was even reported by CNN. Has your vote been counted yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vince Green Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) Donald is going to jail if he's not careful https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/08/trump-faces-battery-legal-cases-leaving-office/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget Edited November 9, 2020 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said: They did move the votes to from Trump to Biden. This was even reported by CNN. Yes. A very obvious error was caught and fixed almost immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Donald is going to jail if he's not careful https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/08/trump-faces-battery-legal-cases-leaving-office/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget Some suggestion that he can sign an executive order prior to leaving the White House that would pardon him and his family /friends/associates from anything hanging over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Donald is going to jail if he's not careful https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/08/trump-faces-battery-legal-cases-leaving-office/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget Then he will be able to share a cell with Biden and his son. I notice the story about Hunter /China and the Big Man seems to have been covered up in the media now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 7 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Has your vote been counted yet? No, but it’s just a small clerical error that would not effect the overall election. As all of the little inconsistent errors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: No, but it’s just a small clerical error that would not effect the overall election. As all of the little inconsistent errors. Interesting thread, thanks for the reply. I honestly am not 100% on what to make of it all at this point, I'll be interested to see what the courts make of it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 https://www.zerohedge.com/political/election-not-over-and-media-knows-it Looks like it will go all the way, especially if all the fraud is proven........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 Other than the obvious (not Trump), what attracts people to vote for the sexual predatory, terrorist sympathising, KKK eulogising, segregationalist policy supporting, child sniffing walking corpse that has become a multi millionaire during his career, Joe Biden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grrclark Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, Stonepark said: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/election-not-over-and-media-knows-it Looks like it will go all the way, especially if all the fraud is proven........ On the basis of a blog post of an obviously partisan individual? The thing i’d genuinely like to see from all those who suggest that there is a grand conspiracy of a scale involving millions of voters across all states is one bit of corroborated evidence. There will be numerous individual cases where things have gone wrong, but in an election involving c.160m people that is going to happen. But where is the evidence of systemic failure or corruption that can account for even 1% of that? We already know about the 6000 votes mistakingly attributed the wrong way, that issue was called out and owned by the official election body themselves. Other than from Trump and his acolytes screaming it’s all a stitchup, (A bucket load of butthurt going on), i’ve not seen a single source put forward any issue of sufficient scale that could credibly challenge and reverse the outcome of the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, grrclark said: On the basis of a blog post of an obviously partisan individual? The thing i’d genuinely like to see from all those who suggest that there is a grand conspiracy of a scale involving millions of voters across all states is one bit of corroborated evidence. There will be numerous individual cases where things have gone wrong, but in an election involving c.160m people that is going to happen. But where is the evidence of systemic failure or corruption that can account for even 1% of that? We already know about the 6000 votes mistakingly attributed the wrong way, that issue was called out and owned by the official election body themselves. Other than from Trump and his acolytes screaming it’s all a stitchup, (A bucket load of butthurt going on), i’ve not seen a single source put forward any issue of sufficient scale that could credibly challenge and reverse the outcome of the election. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, grrclark said: Other than from Trump and his acolytes screaming it’s all a stitchup, (A bucket load of butthurt going on), i’ve not seen a single source put forward any issue of sufficient scale that could credibly challenge and reverse the outcome of the election. The outcome seems to have been decided by the media already, yet votes are still being counted ? Several states have already committed themselves to recounts though , as per state rules on elections. Legal challenges aside, this contest is NOT officially over, as most media channels would have you believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted November 9, 2020 Report Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Stonepark said: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/election-not-over-and-media-knows-it Looks like it will go all the way, especially if all the fraud is proven........ The original article (That link's just a copy and paste job) comes from American Thinker. Sadly there's no source material either. Pennsylvania What I can tell you is that the original article seems to have misunderstood the voting regulations or the counting procedure. Secretary of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Kathy Broockvar said that it actually affects 'a tiny proportion of the overall votes' (https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-supremecourt/supreme-courts-alito-tells-pennsylvania-counties-to-separate-late-ballots-idUSKBN27N030). Votes COUNTED after 8pm were legion, but that's not the same thing as votes CAST after 8pm. Republican state legislators blocked Pennsylvania from counting mail-in ballots early, so they all had to wait until counting on-the-day votes had been done. Nevada What the article is doing here, it seems is lumping in provisional votes with the overall count. Provisionals are where there's some question as to whether they're valid votes or not, including second home registry absentee voting and all that sort of thing. Those get left to the end and are then checked on record to see if they've voted elsewhere or whether they can be counted. It's just the normal process. There's no evidence that thousands and thousands of votes are from double voters. It's a theoretical problem, not a practical one as they all get weeded out in checks. (Biden's lead is almost 35,000 in Nevada now) Wisconsin This is just incorrect. There have been rumours flying around that there have been more votes than voters, but it's simply not true. The Wisconsin register has 3,684,226 registered voters as of 1st Nov 2020 and 3,240,599 votes https://twitter.com/WI_Elections/status/1324036035093909508 https://elections.wi.gov/node/7220 It's also worth bearing in mind that Wisconsin allows on-the-day registration, so anyone registering on election day wouldn't be included in the above figure of registered voters, but would be in the voting counting. A high turnout of 88%*, but then it always was going to be as both candidates were extremely aggressively campaigning there as a battle ground state. And no. As above in this thread, the dead haven't been voting in record numbers Michigan. By this stage the writer seems to have gone on an anti google rampage and confused independent articles with our supposed google overlords and forgotten that google's a search engine - it's not actually writing the articles. The reason why so many hits come back is that there's so much debunking going on of unsubstantiated accusations. Incidentally, google still brings up the claims, it's just there's still very little evidence beyond 'I heard...' and 'apparently...' Also plenty of stories of judges getting exasperated with republicans bringing lawsuits and then having them thrown out because of a lack of evidence. *Washington Post has 75.5% turn out now. Edited November 9, 2020 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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