Papercase Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Just opened up the breast of this bird and didn't like the look of the small white things between the membrane and the pigeon breast pictured - is this what I think it is and is it an issue? I must say it out me right off my pigeon on toast... Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 It looks like Sarcocystis which wild ducks can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr grumpy Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Rice breast? Didnt know that anything other than wildfowl could get it. Every day is a school day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 I have eaten a lot of pigeon over the decades and have never seen that in one. Not at all uncommon in wild duck though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 how long after it was shot before you skined it? because it look like fly magots to me ,it do'nt take long for em to get fly blown at this time of the year ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, derbyduck said: how long after it was shot before you skined it? because it look like fly magots to me ,it do'nt take long for em to get fly blown at this time of the year ! no time at all, you can't leave them out. Edited July 13, 2021 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 As usual, the ever knowledgable @JDog has hit the nail on the head https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcocystis Apparently, meat showing signs of this parasite can be eaten if cooked thoroughly enough. But would you want to? I'd bin it, you only see the odd one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Jim Neal said: As usual, the ever knowledgable @JDog has hit the nail on the head https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcocystis Apparently, meat showing signs of this parasite can be eaten if cooked thoroughly enough. But would you want to? I'd bin it, you only see the odd one. the op s pitcture does'nt look like rice breast ,with rice breast the parasites are under the skin and buried deeper and alined into the muscle tissue , these are on top of the muscle and are all in diferent diretions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 at this time of year ....this sort of thread always pops up.......... i would feel a lot happier eating a fatty winter pigeon than a summer one..........god they go off so quickly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papercase Posted July 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 So the pigeon was .177 headshot (bloody lovely shot 25m freehand) and on the ground for around 30 mins, after that it's been in the fridge for a day - could this be maggots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedward Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 No. No skin damage for the flies to lay into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Tedward said: No. No skin damage for the flies to lay into. Flies don't need skin damage to lay eggs. Possibly these, “Hypodectes propus” Generally associated with pigeons, bit about their life cycle here...https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Microscopic-view-of-a-wet-preparation-from-the-subcutaneous-tissue-of-Case-1-showing_fig2_277666205 Edited July 14, 2021 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedward Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 Fair one, but that was a NZ study, and mites are not flies. Images do look very similar though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedward Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 As ditchman said : Pigeons massive infested by parasites By jfgpm, July 16, 2011 in Talk From The Field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 11 hours ago, derbyduck said: the op s pitcture does'nt look like rice breast ,with rice breast the parasites are under the skin and buried deeper and alined into the muscle tissue , these are on top of the muscle and are all in diferent diretions. Definitely not rice breast that looks nothing like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 On 13/07/2021 at 20:20, derbyduck said: it look like fly magots to me 14 hours ago, derbyduck said: the op s pitcture does'nt look like rice breast ,with rice breast the parasites are under the skin and buried deeper and alined into the muscle tissue , these are on top of the muscle and are all in diferent diretions. There's no way that fly eggs could hatch out into larvae in such a short space of time. Even in warm weather you'd have to wait a day or two at least. Those little white jobbies are under the mucous membrane - maggots don't tunnel under skin, they eat into rotting flesh. The picture above looks nothing like maggots. Maybe it's an early onset of a mild case of rice breast... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 Don’t know but I would waste that meat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 9 hours ago, Jim Neal said: There's no way that fly eggs could hatch out into larvae in such a short space of time. Even in warm weather you'd have to wait a day or two at least. Those little white jobbies are under the mucous membrane - maggots don't tunnel under skin, they eat into rotting flesh. The picture above looks nothing like maggots. Maybe it's an early onset of a mild case of rice breast... Jim I aint getting into a contest to see who can waz the the most distance , if you have shot and seen any ducks with Rice breast you would know that is not Rice Breast ! all the best . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 I know it doesn't look anywhere near as severe as some cases of rice breast in ducks, but it's not maggots! 😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjaferret Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 12 hours ago, derbyduck said: Jim I aint getting into a contest to see who can waz the the most distance , if you have shot and seen any ducks with Rice breast you would know that is not Rice Breast ! all the best . 110% Agree, NOT rice breast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papercase Posted July 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 On 14/07/2021 at 11:07, old'un said: Flies don't need skin damage to lay eggs. Possibly these, “Hypodectes propus” Generally associated with pigeons, bit about their life cycle here...https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Microscopic-view-of-a-wet-preparation-from-the-subcutaneous-tissue-of-Case-1-showing_fig2_277666205 I think you are bang on there - thats exactly what I saw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 14/07/2021 at 06:38, Papercase said: I have seen exactly that on wild shelduck breast here in NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 13/07/2021 at 20:20, derbyduck said: how long after it was shot before you skined it? because it look like fly magots to me ,it do'nt take long for em to get fly blown at this time of the year ! my thoughts as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon6ppc Posted July 27, 2021 Report Share Posted July 27, 2021 Hmme looks dirty stuff does that, may be throw it and just eat the good ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papercase Posted August 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 Yes this one went in the bin. Thank you Houseplant for the iD, I'll keep my eye out and report back if I get any more off this permission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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