oowee Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 Lots of strikes are planned across services I thought it would be interesting to compare pay rises in the different services compared to that of MP's. I cant find anything more recent. Since 2010 to 2018 Police have had the largest real wage drop—around £4,300 in eight years. Newly qualified teachers now earn around £2,500 less, followed by newly qualified nurses whose wages have dropped by £1,900. MPs' salaries have effectively risen in line with inflation. Using our inflation calculation they got a slight pay reduction of £50, though if you do the calculation slightly differently it comes out as a marginal pay rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 We no longer have a functioning Govt, they have lost control of absolutely everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 The media are the government in this country ,they have much to be held to account for imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawsie Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 The counting houses (Banks) call the shots in this country, as they do in many countries, you can put whatever party you like into government but it has been and always will be the the very wealthy who are the most influential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, matone said: The media are the government in this country ,they have much to be held to account for imho. Yep. Totally true. They are just a load of gremlins stirring the pot for their own adjenda and ultimately costing the country a fortune. In wartime they would be considered to be saboteurs and fifth columnists. Vermin in other words Edited December 7, 2022 by Minky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 Yet we keep giving free hand outs to immigrants each and every day. And these are draining our NHS dry, now someone tell me I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) Hello, I understand where you coming from oowee but don't forget there's many millions of hard working citizens in UK who do not have the clout to strike for more pay, holding the country to ransom is not the way to go at this time, I thought we were in a recession 🤔 1 minute ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I understand where you coming from oowee but don't forget there's many millions of hard working citizens in UK who do not have the clout to strike for more pay, holding the country to ransom is not the way to go at this time, I thought we were in a recession 🤔 Do we want another 1978/79 winter of discontent ?? Edited December 7, 2022 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 I'm quite astounded at the demands been made in respect of pay rises, I work for a very profitable PLC and have never got pay rises like they are asking for, I think double digit requests are just not reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, button said: I'm quite astounded at the demands been made in respect of pay rises, I work for a very profitable PLC and have never got pay rises like they are asking for, I think double digit requests are just not reasonable indeed provided you are happy to see your standard of living decline, as your pay now buys less. Is your profitable PLC CEO also thinking like you for their remuneration? Challenging times ahead with a lot of pain yet to come for many as household income falls due to high information and outgoing rise significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, I understand where you coming from oowee but don't forget there's many millions of hard working citizens in UK who do not have the clout to strike for more pay, holding the country to ransom is not the way to go at this time, I thought we were in a recession 🤔 Do we want another 1978/79 winter of discontent ?? 31 minutes ago, button said: I'm quite astounded at the demands been made in respect of pay rises, I work for a very profitable PLC and have never got pay rises like they are asking for, I think double digit requests are just not reasonable Seems to me for all public workers we decide what they are worth then there should be some sort of inflation based pay rise. That was in place for some of the services but then the awards were not made. We can't currently fill the places in some of the services (partly due to training) and some of that is down to pay rates. Many of the sectors have had pay freezes for years making the gap bigger than it would otherwise be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 49 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said: indeed provided you are happy to see your standard of living decline, as your pay now buys less. Is your profitable PLC CEO also thinking like you for their remuneration? Challenging times ahead with a lot of pain yet to come for many as household income falls due to high information and outgoing rise significantly. Nobody wants to see their standard of living decline, but who pays for these pay rises? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, button said: but who pays for these pay rises? WE do - you know the ones that do not have big public service rises and index linked pensions. Standards of living will drop for us like they did between 2000 and 2010. Edited December 7, 2022 by Yellow Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: WE do - you know the ones that do not have big public service rises and index linked pensions. Standards of living will drop for us like they did between 2000 and 2010. Exactly, what is been asked is not sustainable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 when i was starting my "responsible" married life....when i went to the mortgage broker i had to take 10 payslips proving that the house i wanted to buy was not more than 2.5 x my annual income......if it wasnt i could get 100% mortgage.......... to do that now...a normal person would need to be earning at least £100,000 /year....................so really i cant moan at anyone going on strike...the rich get richer (which i havt a problem with...)...but the poor get poorer....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, button said: Exactly, what is been asked is not sustainable What is being asked, is about bringing the Tory government down. It may not be for the workers, but is for the unions. Edited December 7, 2022 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: What is being asked, is about bring the Tory government down. It may not be for the workers, but is for the unions. Exactly this and they don't care who they throw under a bus to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Exactly this and they don't care who they throw under a bus to get it. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 If a fair salary (back to the equivalent levels of 2010) is unaffordable then the service we want is unaffordable and need to be trimmed accordingly. We should maybe talking about what we don't want to have rather than wanting more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 I wonder if its time for people to pay a small fee to see the doctor like they do the dentist I went in for some stitches the other day and was talking with some of the staff and they said they keep seeing so many people day after day week after week with such minor minor issues - would this stop them ? I know it may stop someone really ill who needs help but the alternative of collapse is no better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, jall25 said: I wonder if its time for people to pay a small fee to see the doctor like they do the dentist I went in for some stitches the other day and was talking with some of the staff and they said they keep seeing so many people day after day week after week with such minor minor issues - would this stop them ? I know it may stop someone really ill who needs help but the alternative of collapse is no better It's funny but when people have to pay, they normally don't need it anymore, I'm for charging for missed appointments also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 7, 2022 Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 I have it in my simple mind that double digit wage awards are only valid if world events carry on as they are. If Russia stops destroying Ukraine and grain shipments and gas flows and even coal for the time being return to normal then they have set a precedent. If .gov and other employers HAVE to relent, I think it should be for a limited period only to accommodate inflation reduction if that occurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2022 42 minutes ago, jall25 said: I wonder if its time for people to pay a small fee to see the doctor like they do the dentist I went in for some stitches the other day and was talking with some of the staff and they said they keep seeing so many people day after day week after week with such minor minor issues - would this stop them ? I know it may stop someone really ill who needs help but the alternative of collapse is no better 39 minutes ago, button said: It's funny but when people have to pay, they normally don't need it anymore, I'm for charging for missed appointments also A big problem is too many users for too small a service provision. We are desperately short of care home staff and as a result we have patients blocking hospital beds as theater is nowhere to move them too. This in turn is leading to deaths with critically ill patients unable to be admitted. If bed blockers cannot be moved on we need another alternative for those that cannot pay. Or we pay more for workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 8, 2022 Report Share Posted December 8, 2022 6 hours ago, Weihrauch17 said: We no longer have a functioning Govt, they have lost control of absolutely everything. Absolutely how I see it… for ages they had lost control of their own party in Westminster … now they have lost control of almost everything!! Their position is no longer tenable … a GE MUST be called! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 8, 2022 Report Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, oowee said: A big problem is too many users for too small a service provision. We are desperately short of care home staff and as a result we have patients blocking hospital beds as theater is nowhere to move them too. This in turn is leading to deaths with critically ill patients unable to be admitted. If bed blockers cannot be moved on we need another alternative for those that cannot pay. Or we pay more for workers. Everyone clapped for the NHS … because clapping was free 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted December 8, 2022 Report Share Posted December 8, 2022 There is to many free hand outs in this country for example Heating allowance apart from this year how many people on here actually use it to heat their homes another is Buss passes i have one and never used it but it must have cost to provide me with it. Here in Wales free prescriptions if had to pay you wouldn't have so many in the Doctors with nonsense ailments a lot of it should be means tested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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